RE: external *PRTF (was: RE: 'ILE RPG' or 'RPG IV' . What's the difference!!!)

I must be suffering from severe brain fade.  I can barely remember the
torture of coding screens on the S/34/36, but believe that $SFGR (?) specs
were required to do _any_ screen I/O.  No???  You could do screens in RPGII
using straight I-specs and O-specs with no other external screen object? In
S/34, S/36, or AS/400?

I've done "subfiles" on the S/36 using arrays.  But I don't remember
implementing them without using $SFGR specs.

Please enlighten me.

- Dan Bale

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nelson C. Smith [SMTP:ncsmith@gate.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 9:04 PM
> To:   RPG400-L@midrange.com
> Subject:      Re: external *PRTF (was: RE: 'ILE RPG' or 'RPG IV' . What's
> the difference!!!)
> 
> Certainly.  RPGII works just as well as it ever did.  Wrote subfiles on a
> S/34 for years.  Only difference was we had to roll our own using arrays.
> In some ways, it was easier.  Do I define my screens internally now? Of
> course not. External is a greatly appreciated improvement.  Ditto for
> print
> files.  Ditto for disk files.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bale, Dan" <DBale@lear.com>
> To: <RPG400-L@midrange.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 11:25 AM
> Subject: RE: external *PRTF (was: RE: 'ILE RPG' or 'RPG IV' . What's the
> difference!!!)
> 
> 
> > I strongly disagree.  _Can_ you define screens internally?  Other than
> DSPLY
> > opcode?  Subfiles?
> >
> > Totally different ballgame
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nelson C. Smith [SMTP:ncsmith@gate.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 10:16 PM
> > > To: RPG400-L@midrange.com
> > > Subject: Re: external *PRTF (was: RE: 'ILE RPG' or 'RPG IV' . What's
> > > the difference!!!)
> > >
> > > Every argument made for internal print files fits equally well for
> > > internal
> > > screen files.  Do you define your screens internally?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bale, Dan" <DBale@lear.com>
> > > To: <RPG400-L@midrange.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 10:35 AM
> > > Subject: external *PRTF (was: RE: 'ILE RPG' or 'RPG IV' . What's the
> > > difference!!!)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Really don't mean to start a holy war here <g>, but...  IMNSHO:
> > > >
> > > > External printer files - BLEAAHHH!  If it's used in only one
> program,
> > > which
> > > > is the case for 99.95% of all printer files I've ever come across,
> then
> > > keep
> > > > it in the RPG source!
> > > >
> > > > Granted, had IBM's braindead RLU been something closer to what RDA
> (by
> > > > BugBusters???) is, then I might have formed a different opinion ten
> > > years
> > > > ago.  Then again, since RDA allows you to choose between creating
> > > printer
> > > > DDS specs or RPG O-specs, who knows?  There's really not a whole lot
> you
> > > can
> > > > do in DDS that can't be done in RPG O-specs for _most_ printer
> output.
> > > >
> > > > Honestly, though, it really isn't an "ease of design / development"
> > > issue
> > > > with me.  For me, it's an "ease of maintenance" issue, since I do
> much
> > > more
> > > > maintenance than new development.
> > > > Internal: One source member. External: Two source members.
> > > > Internal: No confusing where the printer file source is; it's right
> > > there.
> > > > External: Ever been in a JBA shop? 'nuf said.
> > > > Internal: One edit session, one compile.  External: Two edit
> sessions,
> > > two
> > > > compiles.
> > > > Internal: When RPG compile error occurs, you just need to look for
> > > errors
> > > in
> > > > the RPG source.  External:  When RPG compile error occurs, you need
> to
> > > check
> > > > the RPG compile listing, oops - not there, now go check the printer
> file
> > > > DDS, make corrections, recompile DDS, recompile RPG.
> > > >
> > > > All that said, I always follow the shop standards.  I can do printer
> > > specs
> > > > either way.
> > > >
> > > > Jon, please indicate why you think "it is just better and safer to
> > > describe
> > > > these things externally."
> > > >
> > > > - Dan Bale
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jon.Paris@halinfo.it [SMTP:Jon.Paris@halinfo.it]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 9:08 AM
> > > > > To: RPG400-L@midrange.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: 'ILE RPG' or 'RPG IV' . What's the difference!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > PS. I don't think printer files have _anything_ to do with using
> them
> > > in
> > > > > multiple places any more that display files do - it is just better
> and
> > > > > safer to
> > > > > describe these things externally.
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