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RE: DCR request - order any PTF not part of any cum or group

1) Does anyone know IBM's magic number of how many times a PTF must be ordered before it makes it to a cum?

2) Below are some areas that IBM does not have groups for.

IBM I Netserver
Info Print Server and/or Designer
Operations Console
SMTP
Solid State Drives (SSD)
Telnet and other communications
Temporary Disk Space

3) Now that I ordered all these V7R1 PTFs, I need to order the V7R2 equivalent for my upgrade LPAR.
Any suggestions or thoughts from the group.

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Harris
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: DCR request - order any PTF not part of any cum or group

I don't disagree with your thinking but the questions I ask myself are::
- why isn't it in a group or cume
- how well tested is it compared to a group or cume

On 23/02/2017 6:09 AM, "Steinmetz, Paul" <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As an exercise, read through some of the cover letters for PTFs not in a cum or in a group.
I just did V7R1, 2/17 back to 9/16.
Many of the issues and problems fixed are very valid.
All sorts, mostly MF and SI, performance related.

I probably download 50 to 100 PTFs.

The reason I do this, too many times in the past when calling IBM with an issue, turns out there was a PTF that resolved the issue, but PTF never made to a group or cum.
And too many times another IPL would be needed, to apply this single PTF.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Harris
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: DCR request - order any PTF not part of any cum or group

Well you know, think about what you just said for more than 1 second and think about the original question

I generally have a look at the cume instructions but if it's planned maintenence and everything is going on delayed from the standard groups and the target machine is relatively up to date I pretty much do exactly what you do and leave it at that.

However if it is a special PTF I tend to look at it a bit more closely and read the cover letter. Admittedly this is a bit of a CYA move but because it is outside the groups and cume I think it's worth paying attention. PTFs of this type would usually be as the result if a call ir maybe from a hardware call home.

So if I was considering putting on every individual PTF not in a group or the cume with no catch all cover letter I can rely on I would find myself in something if a dilemma.

On 23/02/2017 1:44 AM, "Rob Berendt" <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Cover letters? Who reviews those? Honestly I don't, unless I am
trying to put on an immediate PTF and I want to see if it has any
special actions I need to do if I apply it immediate instead of delayed.


Rob Berendt
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IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1 Group Dekko Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





From: Evan Harris <auctionitis@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 02/21/2017 04:27 PM
Subject: Re: DCR request - order any PTF not part of any cum or
group
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Surely ordering *everything* just consumes time at the other end of
the process when you need to review all the cover letters of the PTFs
you don't need.

What PTF's - and how many - are you seeing that are genuinely
important and critical ?

Do they make it onto the next cume ?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Steinmetz, Paul
<PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Rob,

I've been finding too many important and critical PTFs that never
make
it
to a cum or group.
PTF ordering process becoming too time consuming.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Rob Berendt
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 3:58 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: DCR request - order any PTF not part of any cum or
group

It probably never will.

And, there are some reasons why not.
1 - Some PTF's control the way things work. Remember when WRKACTJOB
was changed to default to Activation Group but if you ordered a ptf
it
changed
the default behavior back to previous methods? Consider these
toggle switch PTF's.
2 - FUD. IBM came out with a PTF to fix an issue that only Rob
reported.
No one else has experienced this. Maybe Rob does something really
unique.
Yes, IBM did good regression testing, etc. However they are loathe
to shotgun it to everyone unless
A) It is highly risky to NOT have it.
B) Numerous people requested it and it didn't kill them.



Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1 Group Dekko Dept 1600
Mail
to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





From: "Steinmetz, Paul" <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 02/21/2017 03:48 PM
Subject: DCR request - order any PTF not part of any cum or group
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Many years ago, I had a DCR request for a possible new PTF order.
SF99712 - any PTF not part of any cum or group.
It never materialized.

Any thoughts from the group?

Thank You
_____
Paul Steinmetz
IBM i Systems Administrator

Pencor Services, Inc.
462 Delaware Ave
Palmerton Pa 18071

610-826-9117 work
610-826-9188 fax
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