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fixed

I don't know where you're getting your "decade ago" information.
SEU supported RPG enhancements in IBM i 6.1. I believe they weren't going to, but then they did.
From a programmer point of view, SEU stopped being up-to-date with RPG functionality on 4/13/2010 with the release of IBM i 7.1.
I got the 4/13/2010 date from: http://wiki.midrange.com/index.php/History_of_OS/400

-Kurt
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Nearly a decade ago...


On 12/12/2012 2:51 PM, Bob P. Roche wrote:
Which IBM already has stopped doing.




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I'm going to jump in, make a quick comment, and then get the heck out. Too
much work to do right now to continue reading all these posts. RDPower is
a very expensive tool meaning most companies will not be moving to it
until they are forced by IBM when IBM quits adding features in SEU.


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mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 2:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Software Vendors (And US too) - A small rant

Gary,

What marketing opportunity am I looking for?

I think the difference is that I think IBM is going to market according to
their own plans. No amount of complaining that IBM's marketing does not
include IBM i will make them change their approach. Of course, most of the
community is not watching when IBM does market IBM i, or they complain
that it does not suit their own personal preference. Well, it isn't going
to happen any way other than how IBM does it. Calling it internal politics
is simply just complaining.

As for SEU, you have already set yourself apart from a lot of the
community. When I ask in my sessions who is using RD Power, there are few
people. When I ask about SEU, it is an indication of the old in our world
- old name, old tools, old code. Along with old complaints, it is time to
stop.



On 12/12/12 2:54 PM, "Monnier, Gary"<Gary.Monnier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Trevor,

Reread your own posts as if they were written by someone else. Can you
find the marketing opportunity?

As far as SEU goes I still use it at times; not very often but
occasionally. I also use NotePad and the command. IMHO, IBM
jettisoning SEU would be akin to Microsoft jettisoning Notepad or their
command window.

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
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So why did it need the complaining to start the post?

This is where I find we do our platform a huge injustice. Our community
starts with a complaint, and it just goes downhill. Where is all the
passion and positivity that we had when we started here? And how will
we attract the YiPs if all we do is moan, groan and use SEU? And why
would IBM listen to a bunch of complaints?



On 12/12/12 2:22 PM, "Monnier, Gary"<Gary.Monnier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You just made it for me.

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Subject: Re: Software Vendors (And US too) - A small rant

Gary,

You have an observation. Regardless of the past, IBM have now given us
the IBM i branding. This is cool - it runs all the old crap we built,
all the old stuff that still works for our business, and it even lets
us do new and amazing things. Given that it can do all these things,
complaining is probably the reason why IBM is not listening to us. Our
community tends to post more negative comments and complaints about
our beloved platform than any other community.

Now, what was the point of your observation?




On 12/12/12 12:09 PM, "Monnier, Gary"<Gary.Monnier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

And if IBM hadn't played internal politics and had listened to the
user community i OS would not belong to Apple. Great marketing step
that.

But as you say, if we want to stay with IBM we have to go along with
IBM wanting to brand themselves as a hardware company.

Then again considering how well they listened to us, and Oracle
controlling Java (another great step on IBM's part), maybe moving off
IBM wouldn't be such a bad thing. Sacrilege I know but maybe the
hard truth.

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:36 PM
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Subject: Re: Software Vendors (And US too) - A small rant

The rebranding is no longer in the equation. IBM have given us the
IBM i branding to match their Power brand, and it will be with us for
the long term.

Either we, as a community, promote the current and future branding,
or we will be left behind in the DP department. And, with all the
noise from the MS crowd (and even Unix people), and some of our own
community, we need to support this incredible platform for the long
term, not its glorious past.
The challenge is to stop using arguments that keep us mired in the
old names and stuck in old ways of doing things.


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