RE: How Secure is Windows, Really?

From: QSCANFSCTL

Joe nobody is putting words in your mouth.

Also, I never said anyone was stupid.  The only time I used
the word was to
say that I was NOT stupid enough to install a program that
did a DLTLIB
QSYS.  So stop putting words in my mouth... it's the last
bastion of the
weak argument.

'Trying to sell iSeries AV
software based on the fact that an infected PC is causing network problems
is either deceitful or stupid.  As is comparing the iSeries to Typhoid
Mary.'

Those are your words, not mine, just go back and read your own posts.

You're right, I did say that, but in a different context than you attempted
to spin.  I still stand by my statement above.  Selling AV software on the
iSeries because of a PC infection is deceitful or stupid.  I'm not calling
iSeries users deceitful or stupid, as you implied.  I am calling the person
trying to sell the software deceitful or stupid.  Do you understand the
difference?

The Typhoid Mary comparison started at IBM. IBM has used them at COMMON
presentations. Ask Tom McBride, or Pat Botz or Ian Jarmin who have all
used
the comparison to Typhoid Mary. Its perfectly legit and not stupid. As for
viruses causing network problems, that came from LUG members and customers
who have actually had problems.

I don't care who started it.  It's FUD, especially the way you use it.  The
iSeries is no more a Typhoid Mary than a CD, and you don't put AV software
on the CD, you put it on the operating system that uses the CD.  The iSeries
is simply another storage device for the PC.

And asking me to disclose who vendors (which now happen to be customers-)
or
'else drop the subject like the FUD it is' -- would be unethical and
irresponsible. Not to mention I have non-disclosure agreements that
legally prevent me from doing so.

Actually, the unethical and irresponsible part was bringing it up.  If you
can't back it up, then don't bring it up.  Otherwise, it's just FUD.

But let's allow for the chance that what you say is true.  Then you don't
know of anyone actively spreading viruses, because they're now customers!
Of course you would then use this to imply that other vendors, of whom you
have no personal knowledge, are shipping viruses.  In my book, that's pretty
much the opposite of ethical.

Apple Computer didn't mean to ship infected iPods, yet it happened. And of
course the iSeries isn't an iPod but my point is it happens to the best of
companies. There is no FUD there -- why is that so hard to understand?

There are no iSeries viruses.  So the only viruses that can be on the IFS
are ones that infect other platforms (as the IBM folks have all been quoted
as saying: the IFS can be a virus REPOSITORY, but the iSeries cannot get a
virus).  iSeries AV software will certainly scan the IFS.  But unless those
other platforms solely use the IFS as their storage, then iSeries AV
software will not immunize them, and you need other AV software anyway.  

Simple stuff, really.

And by all means, everyone should get some good AV software:

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/software/antivirus-software/

Joe