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OK, I was being a bit flip but I was just looking at Dekko's historical
pro-iSeries attitudes. A cost savings is a cost savings as long as you
consider all of the costs. Hey, I'm a PC guy myself at heart that likes
playing with various technologies. When the smoke clears (cough, cough <==
another inside joke) it boils down to what does the job in a cost-effective
manner. If this is a non-critical or temporay solution then maybe a Linux
server is the way to go. If it's going to be a long-term solution then
maybe you want to leverage you iSeries investment. John made some good
points about the opportunity costs of one versus the other. Ultimately
someone is going to have to decide what issues are relevant, which ones
aren't, and what their costs are.
Dave Parnin
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Dave,
I've learned to toe the company line. If the boss himself is concerned
about the cost of i5 disk, then I am. After all, I'm no Celia (inside
Dekko joke that Dave will get).
Off brands, like EMC, are still way more expensive than PC disk. And come
with their own set of problems with i5/os upgrades, etc. Been there, done
that, have the scars.
One reason I added in some thought time was the backup. Instead of TSM
going to disk, then tape, we'd set up a special process for this archive
data to bypass the disk part and go straight to tape. After all, it's
archive data and there shouldn't be a big rush on a restore. We shouldn't
have to add any new tape drives for the Linux system. And I am hoping
that we would reduce the number of tapes in our nightly Domino save to
give us more than enough tapes to do weekly saves (or less) of the archive
data.
Rob Berendt
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Dock 108
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Kendallville, IN 46755
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Rob, I thought the mantra was "disk is cheap". IBM disk has never been as
cheap as PC's but that's been the "tax" you pay for the connivence,
quality, and service of being "i"ntegrated. You have said before that you
don't like off-brands for iSeries disk because they have more issues than
true IBM drives. How are you going to back up your Linux server? TSM?
Oops, the data is back on the iSeries! That's OK, though because disk is
cheap. If you start adding in the costs of a tape drive and tapes for
your
Linux system you may be eating up some of your savings.
Dave Parnin
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Someone recently said that the interactive tax is not really a tax. They
just didn't give the interactive users the deep discounting they gave
others on the newer processors. Ok, suppose this is true, and the 90% of
you who think this is BS temporarily coat it with honey and go on to the
rest of this email.
Why don't they give people who are not using the i5 disk for interactive
applications a break also?
In our shop a measly 9% of disk is used for "traditional" i5/os
applications like our payroll, ERP, i5/os, etc. By far a vast majority of
it is used for:
- Tivoli Storage Manager to back up clients and servers
- IXS card storage spaces
- Domino
Now, since he can buy a new Linux server with 500GB for less than the cost
of 140GB of iSeries disk, the boss is thinking of forcing the archival of
all Domino mail messages over a specified duration to a Linux based Domino
server. Since it is the cost of iSeries disk that is gagging us, you can
bet your sweet aunt that we are not going to run this Linux server as an
iSeries partition.
Rob Berendt
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Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
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6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
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