Re: COMMON Values (was=>> iSeries vs. zSeries)

[Léo Lefebvre <leo@xxxxxx>]

Eric,

Why wait for your employer to pay for your own education?
When you were at school (college / university) who was paying for your 
education? You or your parents, right?, no employer.

Take it on yourself to get (and choose) your own 'continuing' education.

For my very first COMMON, I told my boss I would be 'off' during that 
week. I told him "take it the way you want: vacations or leave of 
absence, I'll be at COMMON" I added: "And I won't ask you for anything, 
so I'll learn whatever I want". When he realized I was serious, he then 
offered to pay for 'some' of my expenses. He also realized it could only 
profit the company as I would be more knowledable. I could tell you that 
first week was one of the most exciting week I had, I was at COMMON from 
7:30am to midnight, Sunday to Friday of that week. What a week!

That was in 1989 and I still attend COMMON at least once a year, 
sometimes twice!

Eric, take YOUR future in YOUR hands, go for it, you won't regret it.

As for vacations time, that's what my wife and I do when I (we) go to 
COMMON. Get there early (Saturday before the conference) and leave as 
late as possible (Sunday afternoon after the confernce). I sign her as a 
guest so she can walk around the conference at ease, come to opening & 
closing sessions, CUDS and few other events. She tours the city area 
while I attend sessions. We do our things during the day and meet after 
for dinner. My wife loves it as well, she often reminds me to "book for 
COMMON" until I do.

So Eric, will we see you in Orlando? - Great place for familly vacations 
- COMMON is great too!.

Leo



Glenn Ericson wrote:

> What  would you change to make it a better content  or other values
>
> At 01:37 PM 8/24/2005, michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > COMMON is nice, but I think it was more valuable in the past than it is
> > today.
> >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: RE: iSeries vs. zSeries
> > > From: "DeLong, Eric" <EDeLong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: Wed, August 24, 2005 1:18 pm
> > > To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" 
> > <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > Not to beat this dead horse again, but I've never been in a 
> > position where I
> > > could attend COMMON.  I know I could use my personal vacation to 
> > attend one
> > > myself, but I'm not a member of COMMON, nor am I actively involved 
> > with LUG,
> > > so the cost could be considerable.  I would certainly like to see 
> > what it's
> > > all about, but I can't easily justify the personal expenses involved.
> > >
> > > I suppose I fit in the "young" category (at age 37), but with 20 
> > years in
> > > midrange, my memory tells me that 1) I've never worked in a shop 
> > that was
> > > affiliated with COMMON, 2) I've never worked in a shop that 
> > supported the
> > > notion of sending anyone to COMMON, 3) most shops refuse to allow 
> > their
> > > programmers to get involved in LUG, 4) only one shop has paid for
> > > specialized education.  Its a lousy track record, and in my 
> > opinion, it's
> > > only getting worse.  Bummer...
> > >
> > > In lieu of COMMON, I've come to see these mailing lists as my 
> > educational
> > > salvation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric DeLong
> > > Sally Beauty Company
> > > MIS-Project Manager (BSG)
> > > 940-297-2863 or ext. 1863
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:34 AM
> > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > > Subject: Re: iSeries vs. zSeries
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric,
> > >
> > > I encourage you to attend any of the YiP events at COMMON in 
> > Orlando. You
> > > may be surprised at how many "young programmers" are there!
> > >
> > > Trevor
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "DeLong, Eric" <EDeLong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:34 PM
> > > Subject: RE: iSeries vs. zSeries
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yeah, what a shame that the young programmers are never (in my 
> > experience)
> > > > the ones that get to go to COMMON.....
> > > >
> > > > Eric DeLong
> > > > Sally Beauty Company
> > > > MIS-Project Manager (BSG)
> > > > 940-297-2863 or ext. 1863
> > >
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