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John, I hope you are not updating during the checkpointing period. Al Al Barsa, Jr. Barsa Consulting Group, LLC 400>390 "i" comes before "p", "x" and "z" e gads Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor! 914-251-1234 914-251-9406 fax http://www.barsaconsulting.com http://www.taatool.com http://www.as400connection.com "Jones, John \(US\)" <John.Jones@xxxxx To l.com> "Midrange Systems Technical Sent by: Discussion" midrange-l-bounce <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> s@xxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject 05/27/2005 01:15 RE: Help me Justify iSeries PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@midra nge.com> Don/Walden - Are you on V5R3 and have you two investigated the fast checkpointing/save-while-active for your shops? We're checkpointing 203 libraries (a full *ALLUSR) with many thousands of objects in under 20 minutes and are getting a good save every night. No downtime whatsoever. (And Joe and I are going back and forth about 35GB disk while you guys apparently have at least twice the amount of space needed for data alone...) -- John A. Jones, CISSP Americas Information Security Officer Jones Lang LaSalle, Inc. V: +1-630-455-2787 F: +1-312-601-1782 john.jones@xxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:49 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: Help me Justify iSeries EXACTLY! :) On Fri, 27 May 2005, Walden H. Leverich wrote: > >ALSO, I could spinoff my SAVF's to that server for some production > >libs and reduce my downtime...etc.... > > We do our nightly saves (iSeries) to SAVF then FTP those save files to > a PC Server. That PC Server is then backed up as part of our nightly > backup sweep to tape. Works like a champ (yes, that means I've > recovered from them). Obviously you still have iSeries tape for the > IPL in a disaster recovery case. > > -Walden > > > ------------ > Walden H Leverich III > Tech Software > (516) 627-3800 x11 > WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.TechSoftInc.com > > Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. > (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don > Sent: Friday, 27 May, 2005 12:10 > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion > Subject: RE: Help me Justify iSeries > > > > Well, Joe, frankly, I can put a decent intel server, with RAID5 SATA > on my net to serve as a repository at 1gig xfer rate...with just over > a terabyte of useable space....and do so for probably less than $3k... > ALSO, I could spinoff my SAVF's to that server for some production > libs and reduce my downtime...etc....I'm thinking of upgrading one of > my servers to do just this! > > So, IMPUHO (in my Politically UNCORRECT humble opinion), your solution > isn't that far off...in terms of just a disk data repository sitting > out in the ether... I just wish like hell I could do the same > config/pricing with a i5!!! > > Don in DC > > ----------------------------- > > On Fri, 27 May 2005, Joe Pluta wrote: > > > Hey! > > > > Don't go taking my name in vain here, Jim. I really hate when > > people try to slot me when I offer alternatives. If I say Java > > isn't good > for > > everything, I get labeled anti-Java. If I say RPG isn't good for > > some things, I get labeled anti-RPG. I mention that Wintel might be > cheaper > > for some things, and (you could've predicted it) someone starts > labeling > > me as anti-iSeries. > > > > I think I was pretty clear about how this was a business decision. > > Before you start throwing out buzzwords like "security" and > > "critical update and maint time", exactly how much time do you think > > you need to spend on securing and maintaining a file server, even if > > the files are HTTP accessible? It's nowhere near what's needed for > > a web > application > > server. > > > > "joe's cheap pc" is still WAY less expensive than the corresponding > > iSeries disk. If you need high availability, then great, you need > > another PC. And at that point (and only at that point) the > > administration begins to become an issue, primarily because I don't > know > > of a good way to fail over from one PC to another, although I'm sure > > there's a network appliance that would do it. > > > > In any case, "joe's cheap pc" is still cheap, and is still a viable > > alternative to expensive iSeries disk when storing static binary data. > > It may not be the right alternative for a given business, but it has > to > > be looked at, especially when you're trying to keep the overall > > price > of > > your iSeries solution to a minimum. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > From: Jim Franz > > > > > > (just like joe's cheap pc that suddenly got more expensive when > > > you add reliability requirements...and no > > mention > > > of security, HA, the critical update & maint time, & on & on). > > > > -- > > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) > > mailing > list > > To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, > > unsubscribe, or change list options, > > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l > > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please > > take a moment to review the archives at > > http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. > > > > -- > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing > list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, > unsubscribe, or change list options, > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take > a moment to review the archives at > http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. > > > -- > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing > list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, > unsubscribe, or change list options, > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take > a moment to review the archives at > http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. > -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. 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