RE: PASE runtime going away!!!! -- MIDRANGE-L

TSM was a very bad example.  It's a great product.  But IBM has stopped 
supporting any new releases of TSM for PASE.  In fact the newest release 
of TSM will not run under PASE.  To put it on an i5 requires either AIX or 
Linux.  Well, they might have client support for the latest release.  But 
who uses TSM to back OS/400?
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpieces/pdfs/sg246638.pdf
Chapter 8
8.4.1 PASE support discontinued
PASE is no longer supported in IBM Tivoli Storage Manager at the 5.3 
level. It is
suggested that iSeries Linux is the alternative.

The iSeries people (AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL!!!) do not know who made this 
decision.

Rob Berendt
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My guess it that the feature is being retired, but you have to remember, 
in V4R5 and V5R1 PASE was a separately configured feature which cost $100. 
 In V5R2 is was incorporated into the operating system as option 33 of 
5722SS1.

PASE itself will not go away quietly.  IBM is marketing some of it's 
premier tools under the PASE envelope.  The iSeries implementation of TSM 
being just one of them.

Wayne Johnston
Integrity Technology, LLC
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Hopefully someone with more knowledge of the new AIX support will correct 
me
if I'm wrong.  I thought that PASE brought the ability to run AIX code in
the same partition as OS400 and that the AIX support recently added was 
the
ability to run AIX in a partition of its own.  I see these as 2 very
different things.

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I'd like to hear more discussion on what it means to someone using it for
DNS... we're setup with DNS on iSeries and really like the setup (for many
reasons).  We've got it configured and think of it as "OS/400 DNS" and
won't be interested in bringing AIX into the organization for this 
purpuse.
I'm thinking that there will be some way to handle DNS on the 
iSerieswithout having to go full blown AIX... that would be a major 
disservice to
many AS400 shops.

 
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hopefully they'll get the pricing issues figured out by then.  Frankly,
I'm running AIX on a pseries right now and it's a REALLY CHEAP solution
compared to running AIX on iSeries hardware.  Make sure you price out the
differences before you buy...



On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> I'm using PASE on a 270 and a partitioned 825. I *think* the message
> here is that if you want to run AIX apps on a new box, you'll need
> 'real' AIX, not just the run-time. I don't think it will affect
> existing boxes. I wonder if V5R2 PASE will work on V5R3?
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: PASE runtime going away!!!!
> > From: "Wilt, Charles" <CWilt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Mon, February 14, 2005 10:03 am
> > To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (E-mail)"
> > <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> > All according to this article:
> > http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh021405-story04.html
> >
> > "On that same day (April 1st), IBM also plans to withdraw the OS/400
PASE AIX runtime environment (feature 5732 of OS/400) from marketing, as
well as its feature 1893 36.4 GB, 10K RPM disk drives. Now that the i5
supports the real AIX, IBM doesn't want to sell customers an AIX 
runtimeenvironment or pay to support it on older machines. Customers who 
want to
run Unix applications on their OS/400 platforms will just have to upgrade
to i5s and run the real AIX."
> >
> >
> > WTF?  I don't explicitly use PASE at present, but I was under the
impression that some of the new features in OS/400, (DNS, C++ compiler
maybe?) were actually AIX executables running in PASE.  How can they kill
it off?
> >
> > Seems like that could cause some problems to those on older but recent
boxes such as my 810.
> >
> > How exactly does the dropping work?  If I order v5r3 now will it have
PASE but if I order it after March 1 it won't?
> >
> > Charles Wilt
> > iSeries Systems Administrator / Developer
> > Mitsubishi Electric Automotive America
> > ph: 513-573-4343
> > fax: 513-398-1121
> >
> >
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