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No more please! -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:45 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: Re: fw: I am leaving my company - should I inform top mgmt of majorIT issues? Mgmt won't give a rat's ... about any of those mundane details in g. I assume it is a for-profit company? Here we have a basic problem solving course. And part of it is that you have to assign a dollar value to everything. Now, always jumping to huge figures like "having two item masters can cause errors leading to lost business of a million dollars" will get you ignored unless you can back that up. We had a gentleman that used to go ape over obsolete item numbers. He justified that by saying that cleaning it up would save disk and make jobs run faster. Admirable goals. However he could never put a dollar figure on it. How much disk would it save? And at what cost per MB? How much faster would it make jobs run? And what's the dollar figure of that shorter time? Always spent more time on it than the disk saved. When your company is dropping sales and profits and mgmt is fighting like the dickens to save what they can, they are very busy and you need to translate the situation into dollars and cents. We have our problem solving form stored in a Notes workflow database. It doesn't even allow you to send it on until you compute that dollar amount. Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com "j s" <jrstone@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 02/10/2005 07:36 PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject fw: I am leaving my company - should I inform top mgmt of major IT issues? I should have provided a bit more info regarding this posting. a.. Yes of course I have spoken up when employed; I often informed IT mgmt and other programmer types of the IT issues hurting the company. And yes of course they have been ignored. Most (all) were offended and think they are doing a great job. Maybe they are (probably not)! b.. I have even told some in mgmt above IT, but IT personnel always deny that specifics are accurate. c.. I hope that I am not doing this for spite, in fact the only reason I see NOT to inform top mgmt is that I dont want to bring trouble to IT people I have worked with for several years. d.. My (former) company has been downsizing for 5 years now; and things keep getting worse. Regardless if I inform or not, the company has not yet seen the bottom and has a ways down to go before leveling out. e.. Top mgmt is all new within the past 2 years - they have no way of knowing the details of what is going on in IT, good or bad. IT is not like a restaurant or production floor where a lay person can walk around and see things out of order. Everything is hidden from view in IT. Only the symptoms are visible to mgmt. f.. I would feel good if they make changes that help the company out. Isn't that worth something, even if I get no direct benefit? Has the world come to that a person only does something helpful if that person gains from it? g.. I would imagine that readers are wondering what kind of issues I am thinking about revealing. There is nothing illegal or unethical to reveal. I will give an example: How many part master files should a company have spinning on Iseries disk? One? One production plus one test? That makes two. Add a QA-that makes 3. How many logicals? One by part#, one by brand, one by vendor #? That makes 3 PF's and 3 LF's. Each extra part master copy makes changes exponentially more difficult and complex. If a field needs changing, now a programmer needs to worry about touching 6 objects. This company has -are you sitting down - 500 part file PFs and 1500 associated LF's. Of course some are year end copies, others are John's test part file and Mary's test part file, others are part spin-off files. But to make a change to the file would take considerable effort. And of course no pgmr would ever attempt a change with that magnitude of risk! Thanks to all for all the helpful words of advice! On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:28:17 -0500, Larry Bolhuis <lbolhuis@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I think Ron's approach is right on here. You certainly risk trouble by > telling them because they will likely take one of two views of the > situation a) you are bitter or b) you are incompetent because you didn't > bring it up even though you've know about it for a long time. On the > other hand if you don't tell them it's on your conscience. I disagree, and think it is bad advice. If you didn't speak up when you were employed there, so you shouldn't speak up now. Clearly, your interest is not about doing good, it is spite for the people who let you go. Acting based on those kinds of motivations rarely turns out well. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.
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