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Then if the employee has that attitude then good riddance.  That's why 
many employers don't hire anyone without the requisite skills, and then if 
that employee wants any training they can do it on their own.

Rob Berendt
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My two-penny worth ...

The reason that employees usually leave soon after receiving training is
that many employers fail to recognise/appreciate the new skills gained
during the training where it counts most - the pay-packet.  They invest in
training to make the employee a more effective member of staff, to be able
to take on more work, or work of a higher grade, or more responsibility;
IMHO this justifies a higher wage and if the employer is unwilling to
provide this, they deserve to lose the employee - wasting their 
investment.

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Oh I'll grant that I can see the temptation to hire the person that has 
the skills now over the one who doesn't.

Rob Berendt
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Unfortunately, for too many companies if you don't already have the 
skills they want RIGHT NOW, it's not worth their while to train you 
"because you'll just leave for a better position."

I've been relatively lucky-- the managers I work for do seem to 
realize the benefit of 'generic' training (ie tech conferences &c).

Def: Generic Training--  training not intended for immediate use for 
a specific task, but training for things in general.  Such as web 
facing, when your company is not looking in that direction.  A "John 
Sears" talk in which the presenter describes how the computer thinks, 
or the concepts behind the compilers.

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Rob wrote (in part):

>Failure [to pass a portion of a knowledge test] would not constitute 
>an inability to learn, just where they need to send you to training.
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