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Then if the employee has that attitude then good riddance. That's why many employers don't hire anyone without the requisite skills, and then if that employee wants any training they can do it on their own. Rob Berendt -- "All creatures will make merry... under pain of death." -Ming the Merciless (Flash Gordon) Jeff Bull <Jeff.Bull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 12/23/2003 11:26 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Fax to Subject RE: Midrange Knowledge test My two-penny worth ... The reason that employees usually leave soon after receiving training is that many employers fail to recognise/appreciate the new skills gained during the training where it counts most - the pay-packet. They invest in training to make the employee a more effective member of staff, to be able to take on more work, or work of a higher grade, or more responsibility; IMHO this justifies a higher wage and if the employer is unwilling to provide this, they deserve to lose the employee - wasting their investment. Kind regards, Jeffrey E. Bull OS400 Software Support Consultant IBM Certified Systems Expert, iSeries Technical Solutions IBM Certified Systems Specialist, AS/400 System Administration * +44 [0] 149 454 9533 swb. +44 [0] 149 454 9400 mbl. +44 [0] 786 750 4961 fax. +44 [0] 149 454 9454 web. http://www.itm-group.co.uk ITM Group Ltd, Latimer Square, White Lion Road, Amersham, Buckinghamshire, HP7 9JQ, United Kingdom -----Original Message----- From: rob@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:rob@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 23 December 2003 16:17 To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: Re: Midrange Knowledge test Oh I'll grant that I can see the temptation to hire the person that has the skills now over the one who doesn't. Rob Berendt -- "All creatures will make merry... under pain of death." -Ming the Merciless (Flash Gordon) PaulMmn <PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 12/23/2003 10:45 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx cc Fax to Subject Re: Midrange Knowledge test Unfortunately, for too many companies if you don't already have the skills they want RIGHT NOW, it's not worth their while to train you "because you'll just leave for a better position." I've been relatively lucky-- the managers I work for do seem to realize the benefit of 'generic' training (ie tech conferences &c). Def: Generic Training-- training not intended for immediate use for a specific task, but training for things in general. Such as web facing, when your company is not looking in that direction. A "John Sears" talk in which the presenter describes how the computer thinks, or the concepts behind the compilers. --Paul E Musselman PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rob wrote (in part): >Failure [to pass a portion of a knowledge test] would not constitute >an inability to learn, just where they need to send you to training. _______________________________________________ This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. _______________________________________________ This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by ITM. 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