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I used to use that ECS modem. However with all the push for PPP it's a crap shoot to get that thing to work. Frankly ppp over the same stinking dial up modem buys me nothing. Now I do all of my PTF checking via the Internet. The only thing I use the ECS modem for is IBM to dial in and sign on to my machine. Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 10/09/2003 10:44 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: PTF Management <On soap-box> This might start a political discussion here, but my Dad was just the opposite. He said "If it ain't broke, keep it that way." Back in the early 50's, my Dad was an mechanic for a construction company on a job site not far from you Rob. He noticed a couple of instances where during an oil change on a bulldozer, the used oil looked and smelled funny to him. At the time, the company was buying oil from the cheapest source. He had recently met with a sales rep from D-A oil company in Indianapolis. The rep told him that D-A's chemists had devised a method for testing used oil for all kinds of contaminants, including antifreeze and metal shavings. They discovered that the dozer in question had a minute crack in the block, and was allowing coolant to get into the crankcase. My Dad immediately began a program whereby the entire company purchased all of their lubricants from D-A, and began sampling from each and every oil change. D-A was higher priced, but they included the sampling cans and return labels with each shipment. The company also religiously followed the manufacturer's recommendations on maintenance, even to the point where the manufacturers shortened the maintenance intervals based on my Dad's findings. The next thing you know, the company bought their first computer from IBM in 1960, for the express purpose of equipment maintenance scheduling (the accounting department got to use it during the off-hours). By knowing what their equipment was costing them, his company grew by a factor of 7 in just the next 10 years. My Dad ended up starting a software company that produced maintenance management software for the midrange marketplace. Many of you may still be using that software. The point is that there are good business reasons for having a preventative maintenance program on everything within the enterprise, and the computer systems need to be included in the program. It's the little things, too. How many people bother to take out a vacuum cleaner and provide their systems with a little housecleaning? If you've still got an ECS modem, how tough is it to have the job scheduler send a weekly order for the cover letter for the weekly HIPER list? The fine folks in Rochester and Toronto need to know that they're appreciated enough to have somebody at least read what they publish.... 8-)) <Off soap box> Paul Nelson Arbor Solutions, Inc. 708-670-6978 Cell pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Samuel L. Clemens (Mark Twain) rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 10/09/2003 09:54 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc: Subject: RE: PTF Management My dad used to use "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" as an excuse for not changing his oil. He put over 120,000 on his truck and had maybe 3 oil changes. Often you may not know if it is broke. Take security patches for an example. The iSeries comes out with so many security patches it probably makes Windows look rock solid. Providing you're one of those that figures the more aggressive that someone is in trying to fix their product the more broke it must be. Normally I only put on cumes and groups every 8 weeks. But I am planning a Domino version upgrade on this one server and I am trying to follow the recommendation for latest ptf's. Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin Jeff Bull <Jeff.Bull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 10/09/2003 09:28 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: PTF Management There is a school of thought that says "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". While I have never had problems with IBMs PTFs, I do try to minimise the number of changes I make to my system. I accept that it is a good thing to be up to date with the Cum PTF packages, it's like having your car serviced. However, fiddling about with PTFs every day/week whatever when you don't have a problem seems to be a bit over zealous. Kind regards, Jeffrey E. Bull OS400 Software Support Consultant IBM Certifiied iSeries System Implementation Expert IBM Certified AS/400 System Administrator tel. +44 [0] 149 454 9533 swb. +44 [0] 149 454 9400 mbl. +44 [0] 786 750 4961 fax. +44 [0] 149 454 9454 web. http://www.itm-group.co.uk ITM Group Ltd, Latimer Square, White Lion Road, Amersham, Buckinghamshire, HP7 9JQ, United Kingdom -----Original Message----- From: shannonjano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:shannonjano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 08 October 2003 17:32 To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: Re: PTF Management This page has been out there for quite a while now. Shannon O'Donnell ----- Original Message ----- From: <rob@xxxxxxxxx> To: <MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: PTF Management > This PTF management is one fluid situation, isn't it? > > Just when you think you got it down IBM comes out with a new site: > > http://www-912.ibm.com/s_dir/slkbase.nsf/recommendedfixes > > Now I order: > - the cume (which includes a couple of groups) > - the ptf's recommended for a few products of interest (being careful to > read all footnotes) > - then I order the other group ptf's listed in the PSP information that > may be followed from that chain. > > Not a bad site. Just wondering why some of those areas of interest aren't > just on the group ptf's. > > Rob Berendt > -- > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list > To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives > at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. > > > _______________________________________________ This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by ITM. 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