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Bob, A very interesting response; a different angle I hadn't considered. However, >I don't know a single IT executive that is willing to put his >shop at risk by replacing their existing applications with new >applications to take advantage of new technology. You've never seen a shop throw away an AS/400 system with proven corporate-duty applications for an unproven Oracle system (because it was newer, and the CIO just "knew" it would cost less to operate)??? I've seen it. They're out there. (From what I've heard, they're still throwing money into the pit.) - Dan Bale (I am *NOT* "Dale" http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l/200105/msg00281.html ) SAMSA, Inc. 989-790-0507 DBale@SAMSA.com <mailto:DBale@SAMSA.com> Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of BOBC@ri-net.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 8:19 PM To: midrange-l@midrange.com Subject: Re: Zeitler call comments This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Jeff, <<Bingo! Somebody else gets it.>> I took Zeitler's presentation in an entirely different way. I'm hearing that iOS (or whatever OS/400 will be called) is the clear winner. Will it be the OS/400 we've all know with CL, DDS, etc.? Probably not. But will it run RPG, mainframe COBOL & CICS applications? You better believe it. I didn't get the LINUX thing for awhile until I saw a recent report where IBM is selling iSeries like crazy in Asia Pacific and parts of Europe. These guys bought into LINUX because it was free and it got them going. Now they can't run their apps on Intel machines and need the scalability of the iSeries. So the bottom line is if LINUX brings in more customers for IBM more power to the e-UNIX! I also predict the reimergence of PASE only with a fury and within each of the specialty partitions. I see being able to call a LINUX, AIX, or zOS program from an RPG program. Likewise I see a CICS COBOL application running in the zOS partion being able to call an RPG program runing in OS/400. Think about a few critical factors driving IBM. 1) There are millions of RPG programs in the iSeries world and thousands of RPG programmers. 2) There even more COBOL programs and programmers in the mainframe (zSeries) world. No company is going to abandon their legacy applications that currently run their business for new technologies. You will see Java enter the shop and new applications or front-ends or B2B interfaces emerge. Look at the tooling, it bears out my argument. IBM is trying to give us tools to frontend our legacy apps with Java and Websphere. No one is saying hey go rewrite those old programs! I don't know a single IT executive that is willing to put his shop at risk by replacing their existing applications with new applications to take advantage of new technology. I think that we will see more integration of both hardware and software technologies and I think that's what I heard Bill Zeitler saying! We will all benefit from a convergence of technology. If you read Frank Soltis's article we clearly have the upper hand with OS/400 and the SLIC. But don't knock the other platforms. AIX and LINUX bring us XWindows -- we want a self-contained machine with its own gui interface. Its in there. We want to gain control over those ever srpeading PC's and PC servers -- xSeries integration is a start in that direction at least addressing administrative cost and complexity and improving reliability of an out of control area of our shops. Just my two cents. Bob Cancilla IGNITe/400 www.ignite400.org
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