Re: Cheaper Servers?

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Now that would be something - C'mon IBM - get your finger out

Syd Nicholson


Dare @ Work wrote:

>I think a portable OS400 can give Windoze a ride for its money.  Not to
>mention the stability of OS400 amongst many of its superior features.  Don't
>quote me but we could break the monopoly of Microsoft on OS.
>
>Dare
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dr Syd Nicholson" <sydnic@ccs400.com>
>To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: Cheaper Servers?
>
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>>Put me on the purchase list too.
>>
>>A valuable asset to any sales team. Mobile software demonstrations at
>>any customer workplace. Opportunities to show OS/400 capababilities on
>>any potial customer site. Oportunites to get iSeries systems into the
>>smallest of potential customers, most of which perceive Big Blue as
>>being too remote, complicated, and expensive.
>>
>>A valuable asset to any contractor doing development for different
>>clients. Mobile software development on a real iSeries!! I look forward
>>to it.
>>
>>Syd Nicholson
>>Castlehill Computer Services Ltd.
>>
>>
>>Shields, Ken wrote:
>>
>>>Put me on the purchase list...
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Robin Sapiro (Rogers) [mailto:robin.sapiro@rogers.com]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:31 PM
>>>To: midrange-l@midrange.com
>>>Subject: Re: Cheaper Servers?
>>>
>>>
>>>David,
>>>
>>>How about this as a survey subject.
>>>
>>>Would you buy a laptop iSeries.
>>>In what price range.
>>>What would you do with it
>>>
>>>Maybe IBM would like some overwhelming feedback on this subject (OK so I
>>>
>am
>
>>>dreaming - but still an interesting survey question)
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jeff Bull" <Jeff.Bull@ITM-group.co.uk>
>>>To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:47 AM
>>>Subject: RE: Cheaper Servers?
>>>
>>>
>>>>... I never mentioned Intel processors, I used the term 'laptop',
>>>>
>perhaps
>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>could have used the term 'portable'.
>>>>
>>>>At a previous employer the sales/marketing team 'lugged' a model 150
>>>>
>>>around
>>>
>>>>the world (!!!) to demonstrate the business applications they had for
>>>>
>>>sale.
>>>
>>>>The prospects liked to see applications running native, not over a comms
>>>>link.  The poor little 150 was bashed to bits many times by the airline
>>>>baggage handlers, even though it was reasonably protected in a custom
>>>>
>made
>
>>>>case.
>>>>
>>>>A portable AS/400 is what is needed.  The electronic guts of a 150/170
>>>>
>>>style
>>>
>>>>system could surely be repackaged, perhaps further miniaturised, and
>>>>
>made
>
>>>>truly portable, e.g. carried as airline hand-baggage.  I bet the
>>>>
>component
>
>>>>technology already exists, the casing and marketing ... well IBM ?
>>>>
>>>>Jeff Bull
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Adam Lang [mailto:aalang@rutgersinsurance.com]
>>>>Sent: 09 April 2002 16:25
>>>>To: midrange-l@midrange.com
>>>>Subject: Re: Cheaper Servers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nope.  Doubt it would work.  Part of AS/400 (and Mac for that point too)
>>>>robustness is the fact of a limited set of hardware to support.
>>>>
>>>>If you have IBM developing OS/400 for Intel AND the millions of hardware
>>>>possible, it will tank.
>>>>
>>>>Adam Lang
>>>>Systems Engineer
>>>>Rutgers Casualty Insurance Company
>>>>http://www.rutgersinsurance.com
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Andy Nolen-Parkhouse" <aparkhouse@attbi.com>
>>>>To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:20 AM
>>>>Subject: RE: Cheaper Servers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Buck,
>>>>>
>>>>>I would differentiate between an entry level server and a personal
>>>>>version of OS/400.  One of the reasons that IBM gives for not pushing
>>>>>iSeries solutions in their consulting business is that they have
>>>>>difficulty recruiting recent college graduates with OS/400 experience.
>>>>>One of the reasons many managers would not consider an iSeries is that
>>>>>they've never used one.  If a very-low-cost personal version of the
>>>>>system was available for an Intel platform, perhaps with a client limit
>>>>>of one, then college students could use the system and gain the
>>>>>familiarity that none of them have.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can think of no other way to make OS/400 ubiquitous, given the
>>>>>circumstances of the marketplace.
>>>>>
>>>>>Andy Nolen-Parkhouse
>>>>>
>>>>>>John Carr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If we share the same hardware, and IBM OWNS  OS/400 and AIX
>>>>>>>and they are putting relatively the same R&D money into both,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Should the iSeries cost the same as a pSeries  ( +/-   a few $)  ??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I briefly spoke with Dr Soltis at the recent Northeast IBM Conference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>
>>>>>>asked him to put OS/400 on a laptop to distribute to universities.  He
>>>>>>told
>>>>>>me that he floated the idea and nobody was interested, including
>>>>>>
>>>>>COMMON.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Apparently, if IBM can't find demand, they're disinclined to fire up a
>>>>>>production line to create dumpster-filler.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This may be an opportunity for us to tell Rochester that we're
>>>>>>
>>>>>interested
>>>>>
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>a low-cost OS/400.
>>>>>> --buck
>>>>>>
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