RE: Model 400 upgrade cost

Terry --

I think you may be giving up too easily.  If the machine has the
non-compiler licensed program products you need and/or want, like:

5769-PW1 App Dev ToolSet for AS/400
5769-QU1 Query for AS/400
5769-ST1 DB2 Query Mgr and SQL DevKit for AS/400
5769-XE1 Client Access/400 Express for Windows
5769-XW1 Client Access/400 Windows Family Base

and if the current owner has the ownership certificates and will give them
to you, and if IBM hasn't changed their rules lately, and if there is one
compiler that that you can get the ownership certificate (any compiler)...

THEN -- it might be a very good deal, because for the cost of a one year
software subscription you would be entitled to V5R1, all compilers
COBOL/C/C++/Java/Websphere/RPG, and a lot more.  You wouldn't have to do the
software subscription right away if the system comes with the compiler and
tools you want, and staying on V4 isn't a problem for you.  You may be able
to get a similar deal with all the V4 compilers with a software
subscription, I don't know those details.

I don't believe there would be a concurrency or upgrade fee.  Someone
correct me if I am wrong.  There will be a media charge for V5R1, something
like two hundred dollars, or less.

I tried to find out about these rules and procedures before I bought my
first AS/400 model 400.  I got a lot of advice and "FACTS" from IBM, from
this list, and others.  There are many opinions.  Some are correct.  Your
"local hardware" firm is not motivated to help you do this, they don't get
paid anything for transferring a system, so send all the old systems to the
dump.

-- Charly


>From: Winchester Terry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Douglas Handy >
> > Terry,
> >
> > >> Getting compilers by PTF?  I don't think so.  Do you have
> > specifics on
> > >> that?
> > >
> > >I just found out a few minutes ago that this only happened at V4R5
> > >if you have (had) software subscription.  That lets me out. I do not
> > >believe it is currently on software subscription.
> >
> > AFAIK, the compilers are not available until V5R1, when those
> > on software
> > subscription and at least one compiler get the rest of them
> > too.  V5R1 also
> > included VaRPG and CODE/400 (etc) if you had software
> > subscription and the
> > development tools (PDM, SEU, etc).
> >
> > I believe what was available for V4R5 via PTF was the
> > workstation code:
> > CODE/400, VaRPG, etc., if you were on software subscription.
> > I think the idea
> > here was that these people could order V5R1 anyway (and just
> > store it), then use
> > the CDs to install the PC workstation code.  So they just
> > made a PTF to make the
> > workstation code available without having to officially order
> > V5R1 and put it on
> > the shelf.
>
>Ooops, well I guess I had it half-right (like a stopped watch) :-/
>Thanks for the clarification Doug.
>
> > >> Regardless of the current OS, you would obtain upgrades by
> > >> purchasing a software subscription.
> >
> > But if the unit is not at V5 yet, you'd first have to pay the
> > upgrade fees or
> > concurrency fee or whatever they call it.  Then since V5R1 is
> > the end of the
> > line for the 940x-400, the software subscription doesn't give
> > you much except
> > the ability to transfer it a new box later, if you keep up
> > the premiums.
> >
> > Doug
>
>I'm pretty much convinced that I'm going to pass on the offer
>since the upgrade fees will probably bankrupt me :(
>


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