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Jon, With all due respect (and I mean that sincerely), this is an old argument that really hasn't stood up very well. Look at all the S/36s still out there. I guess that if you don't count the "stagnant" shops, you very well could come up with a 70% figure, but you're eliminating 80% of the AS/400 community by doing so. Heck, Jon, if you don't count the so-called "stagnant" shops, you could very well say that 100% of the AS/400 community is using RPG-IV. A little dated, but this from Chuck Lundgren's Dec. 1999 Street Talk column: Iceberg ahead! I received quite a bit of e-mail to a short item in the October issue that asked why folks are still using OPM for new development. I mentioned that IBM Toronto had stated that 50 percent of RPG programmers were now using RPG IV (ILE), but I ve since heard from two industry analysts who emphatically claim that 50 percent is way too high. They feel that a figure of between 5 and 10 percent is more likely, as RPG IV just hasn t caught on in the bread-and- butter RPG shops. The data for ISVs, though, tells another story. In our Summer 1999 issue, Paul Conte reported on survey results showing that 76 percent of those ISV shops using RPG III said they already use or will be using RPG IV for their applications. So why is the rest of the programming population reluctant to make the switch, sailing along fairly happily on the SS RPG/400? From the letters in this month s and past issues, it has to do with "real world" time pressures as well as an understandable inclination to stick with a known tool. Chuck then went on to list the top ten reasons to move to RPG-IV & ILE, and then concluded: For those still searching for solid reasons to make the switch to RPG IV, I recommend the above article. However, I fear there s no convincing the people valiantly holding on to increasingly outdated technology. For those folks, the SS RPG/400 is sailing toward an iceberg, and their replacements are flying overhead in RPG IV, Java, Visual Basic, and ASP jets. Please note that I am NOT defending organizations stuck in an RPG-III environment. I am only contesting your statement that 70% of AS/400 shops are using RPG-IV. Also, I wondered if you would consider a shop as using RPG-IV if they have only one RPG-IV application written in production? Would that count? I would count a shop as being an RPG-IV shop only if all new applications were written in RPG-IV instead of RPG-III. In that case, we would not qualify, although I feel I am beginning to make an impact here to get to that point. Dan Bale IT - AS/400 Handleman Company 248-362-4400 Ext. 4952 -------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- >> Jeez, do you really think that 70% of the AS/400 universe is using RPG/IV? Well as you noted later I did say that it was about 70% of the attendees at the seminars etc. that I speak at. Yes there would, I suppose be a tendency for those shops to be somewhat more forward looking than the "stagnant" ones you refer to. But then the stagnant shops can't really be counted anyway - they are already well on their way to being replaced by an NT "solution" it is only a matter of time!! If you don't progress you die - that simple. +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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