Re: Decision to make -- MIDRANGE-JOBS

Jerry -

I agree.

In 1984, I was very unhappy with my employment situation as a System/38programmer/analyst at a division of TRW in the Dallas area.

I was particularly unhappy with the pay, since I knew how much the seniorP/A (Eddie) made, and it was almost 40% more per year than me.

How did I know that? Because they mistakenly had me set up in the payrollsystem with Eddie's salary, and when I got my first paycheck and questionedthem about it, the HR guy said "Oops...we had you set up with Eddie'ssalary...we'll get that fixed right away!"


At that point, I felt kind of like Milton in Office Space...

Anyway, after working at TRW for a year, I interviewed with another companyin Dallas that was fantastic. They had posh offices located in One GalleriaTower next to the Galleria shopping mall.The work week was 9 hrs/day Monday - Thursday, 8 - 12 on Friday. We hadgreat benefits and got paid every Friday.


Everything you wanted - a perfect job.  They offered me the Sr. P/A job.

Ironically, the pay was the same amount that Eddie the Sr. P/A at TRW wasmaking.


I immediately gave two weeks notice to TRW.

The TRW IT manager called me in and asked me if I'd stay if they offered thesame money (with a little arm-twisting and guilt trip, since they hired mewithout S/38 experience and trained me), and I reluctantly agreed to stay.The hardest telephone call to make was to call the IT manager at the othercompany to tell him that I had decided to take a counteroffer from TRW.

I felt like a heel, totally unprofessional. It gave me a very bad feelingto make that phone call.

After one month, all of the reasons that made me want to leave TRW in thefirst place were still there, and the extra money didn't make any differencein my level of job satisfaction. I called the other company and asked themon a Thursday afternoon if the Sr. P/A job was still open, and they saidyes, but you'll have to be here working on Monday if you still want the job.


I was on the new job on the following Monday, and never looked back...

- Steve

---- Original Message -----From: "Jerry Albright" <jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

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Hello group.  With regard to actually receiving another offer in order to
force your hand with the current employer there are a few things to
consider.

Are you really just getting an offer to see if your current employer will
give you a raise?  Don't you feel like this might be misleading (to the
other company)?

Professionalism would dictate that if you are pursuing an offer it shouldbewith the intent to accept if the salary and package meet yourrequirements -

not just to wave that offer under your bosses nose.

Yes I am a recruiter but this rule of thumb applies whether a recruiter is
involved or not.  Professionalism should guide your actions.

Thanks,
Jerry Albright
Professional Search Group, Inc.
3493 N 750 E
Avilla, IN  46710
888-293-9249
jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

----- Original Message -----From: "Alan Novick" <alnovick@xxxxxxxxx>

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If you are asking will the iSeries be around long enough to make a
career of then I think the answer is yes, especially for someone like
you who is willing to try new things.  You need to decide what you
would like to do all day.  My company trained a good RPG programmer in
the SAP ABAP programming language, which you would think would be a
ticket to lifetime employment (although there are changes there too)
but she left to go back working with RPG.

I agree with others who have said do not use the new opportunity as a
negotiating tactic.  If you have gripes, express them tactfully and
work them out.  If they don't work out, move on as you can.

Alan Novick



date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 03:11:49 -0600
from: "James Blunt" <bluntparallel@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Decision to make?

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What would you do?  Do I leave the iseries behind?  Do I try to
renegotiate
with my current employer to expand/change my day to day activities,
possible
money adjustemnt from them?
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