Re: What forum is best for a Tope and Node question?

" Kelly, could you expound on this one? By developer environment are you talking server-side configuration or are you talking about editors like VSCode? Or both?"

I imagine she means server-side. IMO, VSCode is solid. Also, there' s Tim concern about DB for offline development, and then deploy to IBMi/Db2.



-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Bartell [mailto:aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:48 PM
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Right now, Node seems to me to be "The Emperor's New Clothes"

I'll chime in here because it's important to have a right perspective about Node.js.

Tony Cairns says it best (paraphrasing): You're seeing how the sausage is made when you watch open source happen in the open.

The Node.js community grew up with GitHub; everything happens in the open and that makes some people uncomfortable. Node.js is being used in production on IBM i. A lot of effort is being put towards taking all the tooling (i.e. database adapters, itoolkit) to the next level.

And maybe more recent versions of node in PASE.

Node.js v8.x is available. Check out this tweet:
https://twitter.com/litmisteam/status/973624716601843713 This is a big game changer.

hoping the open source community or vendors provide a friendlier

developer environment.

Kelly, could you expound on this one? By developer environment are you talking server-side configuration or are you talking about editors like VSCode? Or both?


Concerning client-side development with local connection to remote database, there's potential with db2sock:
https://bitbucket.org/litmis/db2sock. This would allow you use your local Node.js.

Lots of shops are seeing the writing on the wall with RPG and are moving away from it(n1) and selecting their next generation language. They could go with the solid PHP, but then they'd be picking a language that's not on the rise. They could go with Ruby (not extensively adopted on IBM i, though very popular everywhere else). They could go with Python (another solid general purpose language, and seeing more adoption on IBM i than Ruby). Or they could go with the newer kid on the block that offers something none of the others can, a single language for client and server.

Everyone should do their own risk assessment. See how others are adopting by reading some case studies: https://foundation.nodejs.org/resources

n1 - Not looking to start a war, just conveying what people are hiring me to do.

Aaron Bartell
IBM i hosting, starting at $157/month. litmis.com/spaces


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

I wouldn’t go so far as to say node is the emperor’s new clothes. But
I do think IBM could do better by providing the IBM i community with
easier-to-use tools, better modules and better documentation. And
maybe more recent versions of node in PASE.

It seems like IBM is porting node to PASE, offering some basic tools,
and then hoping the open source community or vendors provide a
friendlier developer environment. Maybe not. But that’s the impression
I get from my experiences as a newbie to node.

Thanks,

Kelly Cookson
IT Project Leader
Dot Foods, Inc.
217-773-4486 ext. 12676
www.dotfoods.com<http://www.dotfoods.com>

From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Justin
Taylor
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Node question?

Right now, Node seems to me to be "The Emperor's New Clothes", but I'm
watching it because IBM and others are pushing it hard (and that's why
I did a proof-of-concept).



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Subject: Re: [WEB400] What forum is best for a Tope and Node question?

Oh, I didn't mean to dis node in general at all, I'm a big fan of it 😊

and for developing front end stuff it's great. It's really just the

lack of vendor support for database drivers and the lack of a
consistent interface to them which is frustrating if you come from
JavaEE where JDBC drivers are consistent and well supported, but
they've had years to get it right - Node is still a baby by
comparison. As I say, given the chance, I'd migrate my framework to
Node, I much prefer to work in Typescript than Java and I wouldn't
need a Java EE host, but I would be migrating from a very stable
environment with cross platform support and right now I don't feel it's worth the investment.

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