"How would Bootstrap be an improvement?"
I didn't really see an answer to this question, and as I had no real practical experience of bootstrap I decided to have a go at a prototype that used it so that I can judge for myself. This topic is not really anything to do with the IBMi platform, it is more to do with general web design and tooling - perhaps WEB400 is not the right forum?
Anyway, one of the things we want to do pretty soon is have a platform agnostic solution - something that we can run on the IBMi and any other platform (Unix, Windows) if it is appropriate. So as well as trying out something that used bootstrap, I also wanted to try something that used a nodeJS server solution rather than Apache. While I was at it, I might as well get some practical experience of Angular as well, so that I can really compare it with our own Renaissance 6 Framework.
So this is the opposite end of the spectrum. Nathan is rather "anti" frameworks and libraries as they can be allegedly over scoped. This little prototype at
http://kpturner.co.uk:1337 will therefore fill him with horror, because I have used Angular, Bootstrap, JQuery and a NodeJS server - all glued together with a Framework called Sails (sailsjs.org). I haven't created any documentation for it at the moment - it is just a proof of concept really so that I can get to understand what all these libraries have to offer. However, the source can be viewed on github (
https://github.com/kpturner/sails_events). As an aside, we are now using Git on our IBMi to manage all our source code, RPGLE etc included.
I haven't reached any hard and fast conclusions yet. I have had plenty of problems trying to fathom out the best way to do things, mainly due to my lack of experience in the tools/libraries. I would definitely consider using bootstrap in Renaissance, but Angular (so far) I find less intuitive than our own offering (no surprise there then). What really is exciting (can't believe I am using that word in this context) is the use of nodeJS as the server platform. JavaScript is by far my favourite language, so being able to write the server-side code in JavaScript is liberating. I can debug using node-inspector, and have access to all those node goodies (node-machines included).
The only fly in the ointment so far, with regard to running it on the IBMi, is the database access. This prototype uses MySQL. The SailsJS framework uses an ORM called Waterline that provides an integration layer to lots of different databases, but DB2 isn't one of them. That is a hole that I intend to fill one way or another.
Anyway, I thought I would share my experiences as well as making Nathan feel nauseous :)
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nathan Andelin
Sent: 07 July 2015 20:07
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: [WEB400] 7 lessons from my first responsive web site
Aaron,
Yes, I've already read about Bootstrap's "grid" options and played with them on one project. But I'd like to hear about some practical examples of people using them, to better understand what might be entailed. My understanding, which is admittedly limited, is that developers may select from "extra small", "small", and "large" CSS classes for HTML elements. CSS Class names indicate whether they are targeted for use with various screen sizes. But what is "responsive" about that? What about GUI elements that automatically adapt to screen sizes?
Kelly's site demonstrated the use of "media queries" which automatically toggle the visibility of a "menu bar" for larger screens or an optional "drop-down" menu for smaller screens. How would Bootstrap be an improvement?
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
*>For those who advocate for Bootstrap, what does it really take to
make it adapt to multiple screen sizes?*
Check this out: http://getbootstrap.com/css/#grid-options
Aaron Bartell
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