Re: Web Enabling Applications - Most Common Programming Tasks For Web Developers

creating complex business web app are very hard no matter the main
language, developing the main server part in rpgfree and the client in html
+ css + JS(jquery or other frameworks) is NOT slow than with other
languages, specially Java, Java is the more wasted time (Eagles) and
nerves, sure you can start the project using java, but please call me when
you see it finished.

And be sure also that your RPG programmers will NOT develop in java, even
php, for a RPG programmer is by far more easy using rpgfree and learn html
or better creating a two peoples team: one RPG other html+js


2013/1/8 Mike Cunningham <mike.cunningham@xxxxxxx>

I have done both and still do both and I think I would agree the web app
takes longer then a 5250 app IF you did not adopt a framework that does the
stuff 5250/DDS does for you what HTML does not. Like make sure a number is
a number and a 2 decimal number does not have 6 numbers after the decimal
point. And it does take some extra time to add the extra usability code in
that HTML allows you to add. AJAX calls for lookups, dynamic dropdown
lists, built from the database. And then later using some tool to find
every "screen" that has the word "Bingo" on it so you can change it to
"Bongo" because someone in marketing decided a new name was needed for
something. And if you consider current staff moving from one to the other.
But bring a relatively new college grad into the mix or spend the money for
a good framework and staff retraining and the web is just as fast and
usually ends up with a happier user. Although to do think there are some
apps that still are more efficient and
work better as 5250 and web actually slows things down

-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Kevin Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 2:32 PM
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications - Most Common Programming
Tasks For Web Developers

I have been watching the discussion - but I wouldn't agree with the
assertion that "We believe that Web development today is too slow because
of low productivity, and therefore expensive."

Some might think so, but I don't think everyone does. We have a medium
sized development team doing nothing but web development on the IBMi, and I
don't consider the team to be slow or to suffer
with low productivity. Maybe this is because we are using our own
Renaissance Framework that we are all familiar with.

-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Paul Holm
Sent: 08 January 2013 18:45
To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications - Most Common Programming
Tasks For Web Developers

Thorbjorn/Dave/Guillermo,

The discussion is scoped on the following:

What is the quickest way to create IBM i Web Applications?
This discussion is scoped to creating new web applications that utilize
the IBM i data and programs. It can include ISV tools, IBM tools, and/or
languages and frameworks. Focus should be on the creation of typical IBM i
business applications.

We believe that Web development today is too slow because of low
productivity, and therefore expensive.

Web development is too HARD for the typical RPG developer who has not had
a chance to learn JavaScript, AJAX, PHP/Java/.NET/CGI, HTML, CSS.






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