Re: Web Enabling Applications

Jim,

no Todd has misunderstand what CGIDEV2 is, it has never been an server side
application/framework, it is a service program that extends the RPG program
with HTTP capabilities - exactly as it is done i C++ or JAVA by including
classes with methods.




On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Jim Cooper <Jim.Cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

I think Todd is saying the same thing I was saying. If you generate your
Web application with client-side technologies (HTML5, JavaScript, jQuery,
etc), and make requests to a server-side program (RPG on IBM i) for JSON
data, the application is much more portable since the user interface is not
being generated by a server-side application. The function of the
server-side program (RPG) is to provide the data in JSON. Much cleaner as
well.



Jim Cooper
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Lambton College
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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf
of Allen, Todd [Todd.Allen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 4:40 PM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

We're talking about 2 different things - jQuery is a client-side
Javascript library while CGIDEV2 is a server-side application. Javascript
libraries can be used with any server application, obviously. You also
lose all portability that way in that only an IBM i system can run your
server-side app. Using PHP allows the flexibility to put your web server
on most any platform. (The back end stays on the IBM i.) That may not be
a concern now but it may be in the future.

Can you create web applications with CGIDEV2? Sure, but I would think
long and hard before going down that road.

Thanks,
Todd


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Vernon Hamberg
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 3:06 PM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

Allen

there's no reason you can't use things like jquery when using CGIDEV2 -
the latter is just a way to externalize HTML, similar to how it is done
with DSPFs.

I'm converting to use CGIDEV2 in one of our products. I see it as very
similar in concept to tags as used in PHP or Java.

Again, doesn't JQUery have plugins for JSON?

Just as I said to someone who said about this facelifted interface - I
didn't know you could do that on the iSeries. I said, HTML is just text
- you can do anything!

Same with CGIDEV2 - it's just a streamlined way to put out the text that
comprises HTML.

Just the humble opinion of a newbie to CGIDEV2 and lovin' it!

Regards
Vern

On 12/7/2012 1:06 PM, Allen, Todd wrote:

I may be in the minority here but I'd shy away from using CGIDEV2 for

any sort of web development. I say minority on this list only. The
percentage of all web developers that have used or heard of CGIDEV2 is
probably less than .001%. We've found that RPG developers are hard to
find. RPG developers that have web experience are even harder to find. If
JSON is a requirement then I'd also be concerned about processing JSON
data with RPG. There are plenty of libraries out there for JSON processing
but I don't know if you'll find one for RPG.

You could stand up a Linux server running an Apache web server with PHP

and connect to your SQL stored procedures on the i fairly easily. There
are JSON functions built in to the PHP language. You did not mention Java
so I assume that is not an option.

A big consideration for you is the expertise in your organization. That

may help drive your decision. If you have access to a lot of RPG
developers then CGIDEV2 may be worth a look but keep an eye on the future.
That's my biggest hesitation with CGIDEV2.

Thanks,
Todd


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:55 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

Ok...wide ranging topic I'm sure, but it's Friday. Here's what I'm
looking for...opinions, solutions, ideas regarding web enabling
(browser access) to i applications. A couple of points: The logic on
the i will be written
(re-written) to be accessed by a procedure call. I'm pretty sure I want

the returned data to be in JSON format. I'm obviously concerned about
security and session state. This application would be for in-house users,
not the public.

I'm thinking three main middleware paths - PHP, CGI, and vendor

proprietary...others?

Some products/frameworks that I know of are easy CGIDEV2, Renaissance,

Zend, powerEXT..others?

Feel free to contact me off list if desired. I look forward to the

comments.

Thanks!

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