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From: kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:23:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Turning green-screen apps into web apps
Why would you describe a rich client built with a tried and trusted javascript library as "fragile"?
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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john e
Sent: 11 January 2011 09:08
To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Turning green-screen apps into web apps
For robust business apps i wouldn't choose a fragile Javascript/jQuerysolution on the client side. Instead, especially if Java is already used inthe back-end, GWT would be an ideal solution to build the client side.You don't build "pages" in GWT but real ("single page") client apps whichrun in the browser. It's a powerful tool with great integration with thebrowser/HTML/javascript. You can always add some Javascript if necessaryand integrate with jQuery. It also comes with out-of-the-box widgets andit's mature and robust. Development in GWT is in Java, for which powerfuldevtools are available like eclipse, and there is an "eclipse plugin" available.Also, it shields you from all Browser/Javascript quirks and lets you reuseJava code on both the client and the server.
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:26:44 -0700
From: pete@xxxxxxxxxx
To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Turning green-screen apps into web apps
Mike,
Personally, I haven't seen anything that can reverse engineer the
existing 5250 code in a way that is truly useful when rendered as HTML.
I wish there was, but even with source code I haven't yet seen a tool
that transforms the 5250 screen into something completely usable that
requires no additional tweaking.
If I had a shop that was very comfortable with HTML, CSS, and
jQuery/JavaScript and was an RPG shop, I'd start from scratch and
redesign the user interface using your client side tools (the
aforementioned HTML, CSS, and jQuery/JavaScript) and use Ajax/JSON as
the data delivery/update method. You might be able to leverage any RPG
you have but even if you rewrote your DB I/O routines in RPG I bet you
would be money ahead in the long run.
It is difficult to predict where the technology overall is going but I'd
bet that front end and back ends will evolve differently so decoupling
the two is essential. The great part about that approach, and one I
discovered after the fact, was that the programs that deliver the
JSON/Ajax data are highly reusable in many different ways. I have two
completely different front end technologies I use but only one back end
servlet that handles the DB I/O. When it was time to write mobile apps,
I already had my back end stuff written so I could concentrate on the
front end details. I simply invoke a URL and it delivers JSON to the
client. The client updates the data the same way, through an Ajax call.
Perhaps the technologies/tools that transform 5250 to HTML use the same
techniques, I don't know. But my experience has been that incrementally
delivering new apps built from the ground up will be more pleasing and
functional to the end user and have greater flexibility than something
reverse engineered from tool.
I originally wrote my substitute dispatch and time management/payroll
software in RPG. My first GUI was in ASP (ugly...too horrible to
recall) and now it is all Java servlets (ONLY because I have four
different DB's to support, 3 of which only run on Windows). But, I
still have users that run BOTH the java servlets AND the good ol 5250
RPG stuff, side by side. So your goal is achievable, you just have to
choose the option that will maximize your client options and leverage
the skills of your shop.
YMMV of course.
Pete Helgren
Value Added Software, Inc
www.asaap.com
www.opensource4i.com
On 1/3/2011 2:13 PM, Mike Wills wrote:
We are starting to look more seriously at making some of our green-screen--
apps into intranet apps. The first program would from our payroll software
that is vendor created and supported. Since we don't control the source (in
this case), we cannot take an approach like RPGUI and we would also like to
allow for green-screen usage AND web usage at the same time. I have been
looking at software like Presto from BCD and NewLook from Look Software that
essentially does screen-scraping. I have not tried either one yet.
As I have said on here before, our knowledge base here is RPG and C# and we
would like to avoid PHP if possible so we don't spread out our knowledge
base too thin. We also have a solid base of HTML, CSS, and
jQuery/JavaScript.
1. Do you use this type of software and how do you like it?
2. Which product do you use/like/wish you used instead?
3. How easily customizable is it and do you do any?
4. Could I have an ASP.NET application work with the framework to create a
custom application to interface with a green-screen application?
Also, has anyone done a comparison of each of the options head-to-head to
see where the pluses and minuses are?
I'm sure I'll have more questions, but this is a start. I am just trying to
wrap my head around this better to put together a good proposal.
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Mike Wills
http://mikewills.me
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