Re: The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

In hindsight, I would actually have preferred that GOogle had bought all
the
Java IP, and Oracle the hardware and Solaris (which is most likely what
they
wanted in the first place).

Google has a much nicer record with Open Source software than IBM or Oracle
has.


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Sent: 10. december 2010 17:24
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

I understand why Apache left the JCP (note they also pulled out of the EC
too), but frankly they've been holding up Java 7's release for years. This
all mainly stems from Harmony which Sun and Oracle both didn't/won't allow
to take the TCK test. Since Harmony hasn't taken the TCK all that means is
that it can't be a certified JVM. The only place I personally know is
widely
used is for the android platform. Google modified Harmony to compile down
to
dalvek IIRC.

I am a little concerned about what IBM will do, but only a little. They do
rely on a number of Apache projects with WAS like OpenJPA and WINK, but I
think they'll just create their own versions (already done with OpenJPA) of
the implementations.

As said previously, IBM left Harmony and switched to OpenJDK. That's 3 big
vendors now backing OpenJDK; Oracle, IBM and Apple. AFAIK for big companies
only Google remains on the Apache Harmony side. While Google is a large
company, I'm not too sure how much they'll stick up for Harmony. I'm
guessing they'll work something out with Oracle to license Java.

I don't agree with Joe that Oracle doesn't want Java running on embedded
devices. Yes Oracles bread and butter is on the server side, but the server
side usually talks to some kind of device on the user end.

Personally I'd rather have seen IBM acquire Sun, but I think Oracle will do
the right thing with Java. They have a lot invested in it and the
community.
I really don't think they would mess that up.

--
James R. Perkins


On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:31, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

This could have some serious/unfortunate/interesting ramifications.

https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_asf_resigns_from_the

Does anybody know if IBM has issued formal statements of how they are
surviving the Oracle purchase of Java/Sun? And then of course there is

the

Oracle suit against Google's Android usage of Java:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20013546-265.html

I do enough Java programming that I am definitely concerned about where
things are going. Not that another language couldn't just pop up and

start

taking ownership.

Aaron Bartell
www.MowYourLawn.com/blog
www.OpenRPGUI.com
www.SoftwareSavesLives.com
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