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Aaron

Well at least the wasted money, as you call it, is already spent and now I'm running top notch web applications on existing hardware ( sounds cool to me )

And I'm not struggling to get things working either!

Kind Regards

Maurice O'Prey
XMLi5 Ltd

On 10 Dec 2010, at 14:38, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I guess I'm used to the real world (or at least the people in charge of
the real world who pay the bills)?

Flattering yourself will get you no where. Do you think the majority of the
people on this list don't live and work in environments that are of high
priority and up-time?

Maurice, you put silly qualifiers on there to make it a no-win to put addtl
technology onto IBMi. Of course a billion dollar company would ask and plan
*before* putting new technology on a machine. I would wager they would have
a dev machine that everything new was test out on. Some will even put an
IBMi in the DMZ to keep it even MORE separate from the others.

Might it not be better ROI to spend a few hundred bucks on a trial
server (if you don't already have one lying around).

This is where a wise IT manager would look and understand that spending a
few hundred bucks on a small server could turn into millions of dollars of
rewriting and maintenance down the road because of not controlling the
adoption (i.e. Microsoft .NET) of a new technology. I am on calls a lot
with customers that are looking to modernize and am amazed at how many
dollars (i.e. man hours and software licenses) are duplicated because they
adopt two server stacks (i.e. Microsoft .NET and IBM i). If that isn't
wasting money then I don't know what is.

Aaron Bartell
www.MowYourLawn.com/blog
www.OpenRPGUI.com
www.SoftwareSavesLives.com



On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Maurice O'Prey <Maurice.Oprey@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

Bryce and Kelly

I guess I'm used to the real world (or at least the people in charge of the
real world who pay the bills)?.

Let's say you have a one billion dollar a year turnover company running
their warehousing, despatch and finance systems on the i, these are mission
critical boxes and then someone comes along and pops WordPress, Drupal,
Joomla, MediaWiki, a bulletin board (phpBB3), a survey package
(LimeSurvey),
a time tracking package (Kimai Time Tracking) and loads of other stuff
without asking. Before you know it the IT Director is putting in for a
costly upgrade and wondering why?

Might it not be better ROI to spend a few hundred bucks on a trial server
(if you don't already have one lying around). If any of the applications
then take on mission critical status you might THEN think about moving them
on to the i (taking into account that a number of these applications
require
24/7 operation which many houses running the i do not offer?). That alone
rules it out aside from other security issues and stability issues.

Accepted it is a varied world where no one solution fits all. I'm going
with
the detached server option for now.

- Maurice O'Prey



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