Re: What is Event Driven Programming, its uses, & how to implement it in PHP?

Ha ha. I don't know yet if you are asking too much. I have yet to use
python on the i, but I think I've heard that it works. If that is the
case then node.js should be portable.


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Bryce Martin
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web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/30/2010 12:22:06 PM:

Bryce

While you are at it, what the IBMi really could do with (or, perhaps
more to the point, what I really could do with) is a port of node.js
http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/05/20/video-dahl/

An event driven server on the IBMi (written in my favourite language
- javascript) which our rich clients can interact with using HTML5
Web Sockets. What more could a person want, I ask you?

According to the doco (http://nodejs.org/ ):
"Node is tested on Linux, Macintosh, and Solaris. It also runs on
Windows/Cygwin, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD. The build system requires
Python 2.4 or better. V8, on which Node is built, supports only
IA-32, x64, and ARM processors. V8 is included in the Node
distribution. To use TLS, OpenSSL is required. There are no other
dependencies"

Am I asking too much? :-)

Rgds
Kevin

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I think we would just need to compile it in PASE. It looks like it

needs

MYSQL5, which is now native on IBM i. So with some tweaking I think it
would be possible to get it going. I have a few projects on my list

right

now, but I'll add this one. Aaron, the jQuery version of ChattyGabby is
on there, havn't touched it since last week, but I'm getting fairly

close

:D




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I guess the fly in the ointment would be where to install the APE server
and how to integrate it with the CTI database and web services which are
all on the IBMi. I don't fancy the idea of trying to persuade the
customer to create a Linux partition, much less my chances of making it
work :-(

That said, this is the sort of thing we would need. APE for the IBMi
would be a good open source project. Any takers?

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Hey Kevin,
Look at a project called the Ape Project. I think you'll like it :)

Seems

to me it might be a good fit. http://www.ape-project.org/

For the list's sake... APE is an Ajax-Push-Engine. Check out the

website.

Its something that I really want to play with, but don't have any

highly

interactive projects right now to use it. But yours sounds perfect

Kevin

:D


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Perhaps it is more of a question of how to implement it on the browser
rather than how to implement it in PHP.

For quite some time we have had a CTI function running on a browser. You
know the sort of thing - a call centre agent sits staring at their

screen

waiting for an incoming call. When it arrives (i.e. their phone rings)
they answer it and at the same time the browser pops up with the details
of the customer on the end of the phone.

So far we have only managed to get this working consistently by having

the

browser polling the server for the incoming call using an

xmlHttpRequest.

It either returns "nothing there" or it returns the page containing the
customer details of the incoming call. However, since it is a polling
technique, you get the inevitable timing issues where the agent

sometimes

gets a pregnant pause before the screen pops up.

It would be much better if we could write a listener that runs on the
browser, so that the server can ping the details back to the browser and
get it to instantly respond consistently. So far though, we haven't
managed it. I think it might be possible to create a socket client in
Adobe Flex that can establish a connection with the server and then wait
for a response - perhaps periodically timing out to allow other events

to

fire. We haven't had time to try it, and I don't know how well it would
work. The main issue appears to be with the inability to do true
multithreading. The other issue would be the fact that it would not be
good to start tying up lots of Apache CGI threads with permanent
connections to the browser - which perhaps indicates the need for a
different socket server, or a different Apache instance, which in turn
raises the problem of cross-domain request handling.

If anyone has cracked this sort of issue I would be anxious to see some
details.

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implement it in PHP?

That is a question that came up recently in a PHP group on Linkedin. I
thought
it might also be worth discussing here, too.

Some years ago I became acquainted with a rather robust system for
managing
credit unions where the entire UI was implemented through a single

command

line
prompt, like a Unix or DOS shell. Quite literally, the only two events
that the
server would respond to were the Enter and Escape keys. Interaction with
the
server would begin by entering a short action code, which would

generally

trigger a dialog to enter data into a database, perform transactions,

and

so
forth, one input line at a time.

Perhaps surprisingly, users liked it, and became productive with it, but
contrast that type of UI with an HTML page that may be filled with any
number of
visual and input capable elements simultaneously, and using
element.addEventListener() or element.attachEvent() to register a
potentially
broad range of keyboard and mouse event handlers for any number UI

element

displayed.

I suppose you could carry the comparison (contrast) even further by

using

AJAX
to subscribe to a network service which may be "listening" for events on

a

network, and notify each client of it. A good use case might be a
moderated chat
service. It might be helpful to update each user's screen whenever a
participant
on the network enters or leaves the chat service. Maybe you want their
name
begin flashing when they begin typing. Every client should be notified

the

moment any one of them enters a new message.

I'm not sure how to implement something that in PHP. I assume it can be
done
because Facebook chat works something like that. Using a tool like
Fiddler, you
can see the browser performing an asynchronous request that waits for up
to
something like 2 minutes, for the server respond. I assume the server in
turn is
waiting on a queue of sorts. But I'm not aware of the implementation
details on
the server, beyond configuring the HTTP server to allow persistent
connections.


Contrast network listening, vs network polling. Polling from the client
at
regular intervals consumes more bandwidth and other resources, and yet

is

not
quite as responsive as listening on a queue.

-Nathan




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