Re: Pete's web5250

And that's just it. It can be whatever you are sold on. For some shops that would mean the backend would be Microsoft based because that is what their developers know and that is where they have already made significant investment and create a lot of efficiencies.
For me it would be RPG + DB2/400 :-)

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

Maurice O'Prey wrote:

Backend language = SQL platform = .Net ( IMHO )

- Maurice O'prey

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On 22 Dec 2008, at 16:53, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As much as I appreciate and use green-screen applications myself, I think

the ultimate answer is to wean ourselves off 5250 in favor of HTML, and
somewhat more intelligent clients, using JavaScript, CSS, and the DOM.

But even with that statement I think we are in trouble, as HTML will
forever be a moving target and instead the controller should really be
built on framework agreed upon interfaces. What I mean by that is you
have data records in and data records out, and also user events. Outside
of that there can be "render kits" (to borrow from JSF terminology) that
can facilitate whatever a shops need is or whatever UI technology is
popular at any given time.

If I have learned one thing since I started developing RPG+CGI apps about
9 years ago it's that the IT industry is *still* struggling to define/find
a solid GUI that works on a variety of platforms and doesn't screw you
with your choice of the backend language (i.e. when a new GUI layer comes
out, that usually means people jump ship to an entirely new language just
to get the benefits of that new GUI layer vs. being able to stay with
their current backend language).

If such a UI layer was developed right it could be implemented on any
number of platforms using any number of languages. Note I am more talking
about the client side rendering portions being able to be generic, and
then all the server language would need to do is implement the "spec" of
the UI layer to process data I/O and user events.

Isn't that where we should be going with so much UI layer uncertainty?

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

Nathan Andelin wrote:

From: Aaron Bartell
The limitation in all of this in my mind is DSPF DDS
specs ... Can anybody think of a way they could be
extensible?


Well, IBM controls DDS, and the corresponding workstation interface, and I/O opcodes, and ILE compilers, and the 5250 data stream. So I'm not sure what you expect. Talk to IBM?

As much as I appreciate and use green-screen applications myself, I think the ultimate answer is to wean ourselves off 5250 in favor of HTML, and somewhat more intelligent clients, using JavaScript, CSS, and the DOM. Evan Harris suggested going with a Rich Client like Flex or Silverlight. I'll steer clear of that, but understand the need for a paradigm shift.

A number of green-screen developers resist the paradigm shift, and call for IBM to make it easier, but will ultimately need to make some sort of transition.

To reiterate an earlier post, Pete Helgren had a good idea about helping end-users make the transition by offering a browser-based runtime environment with a menu system that enabled access to both 5250 applications and new Web applications, running within the same context. However, we never arrived at a really good solution for hosting both.

We used the tn5250j applet, but that had a number of drawbacks. A JavaScript 5250 emulator [for lack of a better name], like the one Niels is talking about, would probably be more seamless.

Nathan.





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