Re: What's the latest thinking of the best two orthreewebdevelopment languages/environ...

Velocity and Freemarker are quite similar and I actually started with Velocity because Niggle supported either framework. Velocity isn't quite as active as Freemarker and Freemarker has found it's way into more mainstream Open Source projects than Velocity, presumably because of features, performance and stability. I won't join into the Velocity vs Freemarker discussions (you can see plenty on either mailing list) but Freemarker seems to have the technical edge. Google just inquired about using it in some of it's projects and those guys are technical gods as far as I am concerned.....

As for Groovy/Grails, Aaron, I didn't see any inherent advantage of Groovy/Grails over JRuby and Rails. I found the JRuby route easier in some respects because I didn't have to learn yet another language (well, it helps to learn some Ruby but the JRuby stuff kept me in the Java fold). IBM continues to have some interest in Ruby and Rails and is in active development of a Gem for connecting Rails to DB2.

Pete


Schmidt, Mihael wrote:

If you want to "hit the ground running" then i have a very good experience with Velocity (Apache project). The learning curve is almost zip (nothing) and you have a nice seperation of the html stuff and your business logic and it is quite fast. There are almost no dependencies to other projects/libraries as other frameworks do tend to have.
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RPG won't be anywhere in the picture.

Now you have my curiosity getting the best of me. You don't mind
considering REXX but you are fairly adamant about RPG not being in the
picture. I just have to know why :-)

BTW, with you not wanting RPG, my recommendation would be to find a
lightweight Java framework (JSF is NOT lightweight IMO) that doesn't get in
the way of progress (i.e. doesn't try to do everything for you) and run it
under Tomcat. Also look for things that are tied to a vendor because the
possibility of it going by the wayside is because they couldn't make money
with it and NOT because the technology wasn't adequate or used by a lot of
people. That is one reason why I would be hesistant to use things like the
GWT (Google Web Toolkit) or EGL (IBM's Enterprise Generation Language) which
as of right now are completely proprietary.

I have had conversations with Don Denoncourt in the past couple weeks and he
has done a variety of java frameworks including JSF, and he has now chosen
Groovy/Grails as his direction (Java based more or less) because of it's
productivity gains. That would probably be my next stop personally.

HTH,
Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Dave Odom <Dave.Odom@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Super answer. I lean toward Java/WDSc but will consider PHP.

RPG won't be anywhere in the picture.

Thanks,

Dave