Maurice,
Thanks much. This should keep me busy, along with looking at Java/WDSC and PHP
for awhile.
Dave
"Maurice O'Prey" <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx> 6/6/2007 14:31 >>>
Dave
Microsoft Visual Studio is a separate chargeable product
Microsoft Visual Web Developer is a separate (currently FOC product), it
does much of what Visual Studio does if you are just into Web Development
(some more advanced features are missing though)
The .NET 2.0 Framework should be installed on your Windows (Blade) server
There are plenty of free samples and working applications/starter kits are
available from www.asp.net (obviously most are based over SQL Server
Express)
Regards
Maurice
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Sent: 06 June 2007 21:13
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Maurice,
Super. Are you saying that Visual Studio and/or Web Developer Express are
in ASP.NET 2.0 or are they separate products?
I've got a couple of Windows server environments set up on i5 blades for
other things.
Where is .NET 2.0 Framework installed; server or my client?
In order to hit the ground running, any example applications downloadable
from the web or somewhere?
Thanks much,
Dave
"Maurice O'Prey" <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx> 6/6/2007 13:04 >>>
Dave
I think you will find Visual Studio 2005, or even Visual Web Developer
Express, (combined with ASP.NET 2.0) could be described as RAD tools in
their own right.
With regard to setting up a test environment all you need is the following
1/. A Windows Server (unusually) or even an XP Pro (or Vista Business) PC
with IIS installed
2/. .NET Framework 2.0 installed (free download if not already present)
3/. IBM .Net managed Data provider installed (comes with iSeries Access for
Windows, but is not installed by default)
4/. An IDE (Try Visual Web Developer Express) free download
And of course a good book, as previously mentioned.
Regards
Maurice
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Sent: 06 June 2007 20:36
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diverse i5 access...
Maurice,
Thank you. What are the steps, especially with an i5 in mind, to get a test
environment set up? I saw your list of books on ASP. What about RAD
tools... which ones?
Thanks,
Dave
"Maurice O'Prey" <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx> 6/6/2007 12:30 >>>
Sure Is
It's called ASP.NET 2.0 and can (and should) use the IBM .NET managed data
provider. Sure works for me (check out the caching features sometime) Oh and
the development tools (superb). Stored procedures? no problem!
Try it first
Maurice
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Sent: 06 June 2007 19:58
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Subject: Re: [WEB400] Recommendationsof webdevelopment architecture/tool for
diverse i5 access...
Maurice,
Sure, understand. Well, I'm at a cross-roads, and, generally, I like to
move forward. So what language do you suggest for building web apps as
rapidly as possible but in a language with a good solid extensible
architecture, decent tools for development, accesses DB2/400 in a
high-performance way, using stored procedures or straight calls and doesn't
use ODBC? Or is there such a thing for the i5?
Thanks,
Dave
"Maurice O'Prey" <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx> 6/6/2007 11:49 >>>
Dave
My statement was from my own personal perspective. Wheteher one moves
forward, sidewards or backwards depends on where one is currently at. For me
(personally) going back to PERL (and I perceive PHP to be a similar
language) would be a backwards step. You can obviously decide where you are
situated and move in whatever direction you decide.
Regards
Maurice
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Sent: 06 June 2007 00:38
To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
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Maurice,
What did you mean by the part of your statement below all after "... better
options (same with PHP IMHO)"? It seems to me your saying PHP doesn't move
one forward or something like that.
Thanks,
Dave
"Maurice O'Prey" <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx> 5/31/2007 23:23 >>>
Dave
Your right I too don't see PERL as a way forward anymore, nothing wrong with
the language but now there are better options (same with PHP IMHO)
The differences between ASP.NET 2.0 and Classic ASP are well documented by
experts in just about any book on ASP.NET 2.0, the differences are vast and
too many to list.
Recommended reading
ASP.NET 2.0 - Sams
ASP.NET 2.0 - Wrox
Professional ASP.NET 2.0 in VB 2005 - Apress
Read any of the introductory chapters in these books for a good overview
about the benefits of ASP.NET (over Classic ASP, PERL and PHP etc).
If you've already used Classic ASP and SQL your half way there, why move
sideways?
Regards
Maurice
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Sent: 31 May 2007 22:04
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diverse i5 access...
Maurice,
I know you have to go but... our prototype is built in PERL on the i5 and I
don't have a problem with PERL except it doesn't seem to be talked as a
development choice anymore. I don't see folks touting their PERL
skills much. Am I missing something?
I've used classic .ASP and SQL with the i5 very successfully. But
maybe there's a better mousetrap now. What makes ASP.NET 2.0 or IBM's
.NET better?
Thanks,
Dave
"Maurice O'Prey" <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx> 5/31/2007 13:22 >>>
Dave
Eight years ago I was writing in Perl on the iSeries (yes Perl). When I
asked a question about performance I was referred to a 'specialist' (in IBM
UK) who hadn't written a Perl script that used more than one subroutine!
Mine used 50 plus...
So you could use Perl, you could use PHP, or IMVHO you could use ASP.NET 2.0
and SQL, making life a whole lot easier for yourself (if you can swallow the
Wintel pill). Using the IBM.NET Managed data provider is no more difficult
than using the standard .NET SQL provider, but you will need to learn
ASP.NET (VB.NET or C#) in either case there are plenty of books
(resources)
around that will help if you should need them.
I guess your going to have to choose one route or another, so good luck.
Best Regards
Maurice
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Sent: 31 May 2007 21:01
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Maurice,
Ahhh, interesting. What other language could be used as a sweetner/glue
other than RPG?
Are you saying if I got books on iSeries Access for Windows it would tell me
all I need to know about IBMs .NET Managed Data Provider?
Thanks,
Dave
"Maurice O'Prey" <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx> 5/31/2007 12:18 >>>
I Use .NET but not only MS only products, I use the IBM .NET Managed Data
Provider (AKNA iSeries Access for Windows V5R3) and (as I have said
before)
a little bit of RPG thrown in as a sweetener... (or Glue)
Regards
Maurice
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Something else to stir the pot...
While developing in .NET may be great and all, aren't you painting yourself
into a corner using M$ only products?
My experience in using CGIDEV2 has been wonderful...we've converted all of
our webfaced apps to CGI and haven't looked back...users have no complaints
whatsoever about performance or look & feel...
Shane Cessna
Senior iSeries Programmer
North American Lighting, Inc.
217.465.6600 x7776
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<snip>
One advantage to using asp.net over rpg-cgi is your programmers get
to
learn C# !
There's always one comment in your posts that throws me for a complete
loop.
I fully agree that learning another language can only benefit ones
existing
and new RPG development, but to say that is an advantage is just an
odd
way
to create an advantage for the Microsoft approach. I don't know,
maybe
I am
just grumpy today.
I will say that having prebuilt components saves coding most of the
time.
And then 10% of the time they get in the way. My experience is based
on
using Apache's MyFaces (JSF implementation) and ASP.NET's could be
much
better.
</snip>
Based on comments I heard from the person here converting an .ASP
application to a full on .Net application, it's not. The components
are
great if they do exactly what you want and you want to do things the
Microsoft way (this caused lots of problems with a few things). If
what
you're trying to do doesn't meet that criteria, you're either
developing
components from scratch or writing kludgy code.
Matt
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