RE: [WEB400] Java Technologies was - > Re: XML, RPG,

["Eyers, Daniel" <daniel.eyers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I remember learning RPG, it was tough knowing everything to make me effective, 
too.  Jeez, you have to learn DDS, and
RPG, and OPNQRYF, and query... and then, they change stuff, so you have to 
learn ILE, and java, and then, darn IFS comes
alog and you have to deal with that, then CL and files in CL and screens in CL. 
 Then, you deal with permissions and
subfiles and, geez, the list is endless..

This is why I'm an IT professional.  No one knows everything and there's always 
more to learn.  You have to change your
definition of expert to "someone who knows a little bit more than the 
customer," or can learner it quicker than anyone
else.  

dan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bartell, Aaron L. (TC) [mailto:ALBartell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:32 AM
To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: [WEB400] Java Technologies was - > Re: XML, RPG, 


Now that you have said that I am curious as to what parts of the Java
language you use, and I might be asking this with the wrong terms.  What I
mean is do you use Struts, Ant, Tapestry, JavaServer Faces, Cocoon, Maven,
the list goes on.

That is the hardest part of Java - knowing there must be something out there
to make something easier, but then knowing which one to use and how to use
it.

Aaron Bartell

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Pluta [mailto:joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:30 AM
To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: RE: [WEB400] Re: Re: XML, RPG, 


> From: Bartell, Aaron L. (TC)
> 
> >I'm highly productive in both RPG and Java, Nathan.
> 
> Just curious Joe, how long have you been using Java?

Four or five years, Aaron.  I probably got proficient in about a year
and a half.  In comparison, I got proficient in RPG in about six months,
about a year for assembly language, and a little less for Pascal/C,
which I learned about the same time.  COBOL took about nine months, but
I don't think I ever reached the same level that I did with the other
languages.

I'm not sure I EVER got proficient in C++ <grin>.

You can add another year or so to RPG for becoming reasonably proficient
at ILE concepts and learning how to make use of the RPG IV features.

Java is relatively hard work because it truly implements object
orientation, and you really have to change your mindset, especially if
you're a procedural programmer.

Joe

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