Re: COBOL>Perform Hierarchy -- WDSCI-L

Sorry Jeff - in this case the "easy" way is converting to ILE.

As you've probably discovered, converting to ILE COBOL from OPM is only trivial if a) You do a whole application/sub application at once or b) Don't make use of the run unit. I always made extensive use of the run unit so have been surprised when people told me how easy it was to switch from OPM to ILE! They didn't even know what the run unit was. I worked with one client when I was with IBM where they had to backtrack and revert to OPM because their usage of the run unit made a mixed OPM/ILE environment impractical.

On 2013-06-25, at 10:07 AM, Jeff Buening <Jeff.Buening@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jon,
Yes I just did, since I wanted to add something about the copy/paste
issues I have been having since moving from WDSC to RDP. I also added
hovering over a field to get the values when in debug. Not sure if that is
complicated to do or if it was just a decision of the RDi team.

During a nightly pass I can have the operator hold the job he is
running, then look for active jobs, then select Debug as IBM i Job on that
active job. I can say when the job hits 'programX' (which is an OPM
program) open up on my screen and that works. It is just a little bit of a
process. Just didn't know if there could be some easier function like
right clicking on the OPM object select some sort of SEP(OPM) so when that
person runs a job and hits the program it comes up on my screen without the
whole have operator start job and hold etc....

Jeff Buening
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From: Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: 06/25/2013 09:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] COBOL>Perform Hierarchy
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Jeff,

The decision to support (or not) things like visualize are down to the RDi
team - so opening an RFE would be the way to go.

However, SEP is another matter. The fundamental system architecture only
supports that for ILE programs so I doubt you'll get that changed. However,
the work around is straightforward. Create an ILE program that is nothing
more than a proxy for the "real" OPM one. Use that program as the SEP and
when the breakpoint is hit step into your OPM code. Doesn't help you with
debugging live jobs etc. but works pretty well in a testing environment.

On 2013-06-25, at 8:21 AM, Jeff Buening <Jeff.Buening@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Mark,
Just wondering why for things like Visualize Application, set

entry

point etc... do we have to switch the properties to cblle from cbl to get
this to work. I know IBM says we are not enhancing OPM etc... but what

is

the point of making someone switch it to cblle just to do something then
they switch right back to cbl once done. I am all for using ILE for a

new

program or when I need to add something to an old program(intrinsic
functions etc..). There are more issue that arise when just switching
COBOL(comparing to what I have heard about RPG) program to ILE without
testing activation group problems, continue/next sentence issues, other
programming issues I have encountered etc... I think that ILE with
intrinsic functions, binding other languages together etc... gives it
enough for people to move to it, just wish some of the ILE features like
visualize application, SEP etc would/could of been allowed in OPM. I

guess

I felt like having a Tuesday rant :).

Jeff Buening
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Hi Mark,
I assume that you are already familiar with the 'Visualize Application
Diagram' action on a COBOL member.

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From: "Austin, Mark" <Mark.Austin@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere

Development Studio

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<wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,

Date: 25/06/2013 02:36 AM
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Hi Rick,

Thanks for finding the time to reply to this.

Do you know if there are any plans to make it available? I am going to be
embarking on a complete rewrite of one of our most complicated programs

and

any tools I can find to help me understand to current functionality would
be very helpful.

If anyone else knows of any Cobol tools that aid the
visualisation/navigation of massive Cobol programs I'd appreciate a heads
up.

Best regards,

Mark Austin
IT Consultant
Universal Music Publishing Group
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Sent: 24 June 2013 17:03
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] COBOL>Perform Hierarchy

Hi Mark,

When the enhancement was done for the COBOL Outline view in 8.5.1, it
was
done by refactoring some of the AIX COBOL tools to work for IBM i as
well.
Clearly there are some plugin dependencies that are bringing in this
view
as well. Currently this view is not usable for IBM i.

Rick Sawyer
Rational Developer for Power
IBM Software Group, Rational

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Hi,

I was exploring the new RDi 9 and found a view under COBOL called
Perform
Hierarchy but can't work out how to use it.

Has anyone used this function or knows how to use it?

Best regards,

Mark Austin
IT Consultant
Universal Music Publishing Group
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