Re: George Farrdeclaresfeaturespecificpricingonhorizonfor WDSC

Sadly your are correct, though I don't know how it will get better unless we
DO actually get better tooling and languages than the competition.  Catch
22?  I think IBM could do it given the right people having the right team
and flexibility.  That's asking a lot, I know.

The truth about Java (in reference to San Francisco) is that it is great for
plumbing type programming (i.e. frameworks).  But it doesn't run fast in the
native environment on the iSeries (I guess I might as well include that WAS
doesn't run fast on the iSeries relative to RPG).  That is why Java on the
iSeries is such a hard swallow.  If we all hadn't started out with RPG then
we wouldn't be in this predicament :-)

I still think that if they changed the name of RPG and gave it a great
web/thick client framework that it would bring in younger talent who don't
have as much trouble getting on bandwagons.  Yeah yeah yeah, I know
bandwagons aren't always good, but the V3R2 bandwagon band is starting to
die of old age and their guitar strings are breaking from trying to sing the
ILE song.  We need to retire them for a hard rock bandwagon that appeases
younger talents eye-candy needs with the hidden agenda of filling the roles
of retirees.

Aaron Bartell

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WDSC

CGIDEV2 is far from what other development
environments have for a framework
to build web apps on.  
Most of the RPG community
don't even know what they are missing
or what IBM could do if they chose to
really take RPG to the next level.  

I agree that it would be a wonderful thing if RPG could somehow be as
natively 'webby' as Java.  But our market doesn't adopt a new technology
(Smalltalk, San Francisco [1]) because IBM pushes it, or because we read
about it in the news.  Our market is at the tail end of the adoption curve.
We will get into e-business well after the big players are already there.
We generally work with older, simpler tool sets long after everyone else has
moved on.

Unbundling and charging extra for the things we need today in order to
subsidise the development of the bits we may need in the future is like
having to work overtime to train your own replacement.

[1] http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/373/rubin.html
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