RE: RE: 5.1.2 Program Call Wizard

I use the base eclipse product for when I train people in on Java and I
have never had it crash on me. Granted I don't use it nearly as much as
WDSc. XP Pro is rarely a main concern for crashing my PC. My guess would
be that WDSc adds a considerable amount of code to your install of
eclipse so you can expect a percentage increase in the amount of errors
that happen (to a point this is acceptable).

I would bet IBM has a huge amount of input into the base eclipse
product.  They can't allow the product to go in a direction that would
cause problems for all of the tooling they have built on top of it
(which by the way IBM is probably one of the biggest if not thee biggest
tool vendor for eclipse).

Just my thoughts,
Aaron Bartell

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Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] RE: 5.1.2 Program Call Wizard - Error

Dan,

While I'd agree it would be nice if IBM could get WDSCi to the level of
reliability us iSeries developers expect.  Given that WDSCi runs on a PC
instead of the iSeries, that is an unrealistic desire.  Particularly
when you take into account that WDSCi is build on Eclipse so IBM doesn't
have 100% control over it.  However, I think the lack of control is
partially/mostly/completely(?) by the responsiveness/testing/peer review
provide by the open source model.

So as with any other non-iSeries program, save often.  Take my word for
it, Ctrl-S will become second nature.  <grin>

Let me finish by agreeing with others, the time you spend picking up
WDSCi ( and recovering from any problems) will be offset by the
productivity gains.
This is especially true if you are working in RPG IV and even more so if
in RPG IV free format.

Go ahead and jump in...

Charles Wilt
iSeries Systems Administrator / Developer Mitsubishi Electric Automotive
America
ph: 513-573-4343
fax: 513-398-1121
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Bale [mailto:dbale@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:05 AM
> To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] RE: 5.1.2 Program Call Wizard - Error
> 
> 
> Joep,
> 
> I should have said that I don't have the luxury "in this current 
> crunch mode".  It's going to be a fairly stressful period these next 
> several months, and the last thing I need is the worry that I'm going 
> to lose a day's work.  (I am newly cognizant of the fact that this 
> doesn't apply as much to RPG / CL / "traditional" iSeries coding, so 
> this may be moot.)
> 
> I admit that my expectations of reliability are probably extremely 
> high.
> After all, I've been an ASiSeries400i5 programmer (and a S/36 
> programmer before that) for... over a decade <g>.  The worst loss I 
> have ever suffered was maybe 5 lines of code when power went out on 
> the entire building.  So, yeah, I have high expectations.
> 
> And I think, as an IBM customer, I should continue to have the same 
> level of high expectations from WDSC.  This *is* version 5, after all.
>  However the
> decision came to be that WDSC should be "based on" Eclipse and, so, 
> now we share a common bond thingy with the rest of the world's 
> development community, well that's fine and good as long as we don't 
> have to lower our expectations to that which the non-iSeries crowd is 
> accustomed to.
> 
> I kinda doubt green-screen will still be around by the time I can 
> retire, so I recognize that I need to move towards an environment 
> suitable for development in the 21st century.  Honestly, I *want* to 
> do this!
> 
> Last thing:  I recognize that reports of errors/bugs are probably 
> coming from a very small & vocal minority.  Nobody signs up for an 
> email list just so they can tell the world, "Works good for me!"  And 
> this is true of any forum.  I also recognize that some of the problems

> may be out of the control of IBM Toronto, and are attributed to 
> Eclipse or other open source
> (third-party?) apps that are used by WDSCi.
> 
> db
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx / Joep Beckeringh
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 5:48 PM
> >
> > Dan Bale wrote:
> > > I have noticed the same response numerous times on this 
> list to solve
> > > problems - Create a new workspace.  I questioned the maturity
> > of WDSCi a few
> > > months ago
> > (http://archive.midrange.com/wdsci-l/200409/msg00149.html).  The
> > > consensus of that thread was that there was so much to like
> > about WDSCi that
> > > you were willing to overlook the problems it has.  I'm not sure
> > I have that
> > > luxury.
> >
> > You may call it luxury or you may call it necessity; the point is
> > that IBM is
> > not developing PDM/SEU anymore but gives us WDSC instead.
> > Depending on your age
> > you may decide to stay with PDM/SEU until you retire, or you have
> > to go along
> > with IBM and start using WDSC (or do something completely
> > different, of course).
> >
> > > I just received the 5.1.2 cd-roms.  I am waiting for my
> > brand-spankin' new
> > > P4 1GB RAM XP Pro box to be delivered to my desk.  I *will*
> > install 5.1.2
> > > and install the updates.  I will "wiggle my toes in the water",
> > but I doubt
> > > I'll be jumping off the dock anytime soon.  I will be in an
> > absolute crunch
> > > mode for the next five months, so I cannot afford downtime due
> > to product
> > > immaturity.  I need something that I don't have to worry about
> > potentially
> > > spending hours at a time problem-solving the development tool.
> > Right now,
> > > reading from this list, WDSCi is just not there.
> >
> > If you think WDSC is not there now, don't expect it to ever get
> > there. WDSC
> > consists of Eclipse (which in itself is very good) and an
> > enormous load of
> > plug-ins. The number of plug-ins grows with each release, 
> and so does the
> > complexity of the beast. Guess what that does to the number of
> > bugs. And to the
> > manageability of the documentation.
> >
> > > I understand that the fine folks in Toronto inherited WDS.  I
> > do not know
> > > the quality of the stuff they inherited, but I'm guessing there
> > was a reason
> > > why the move to Toronto was made.  This is pure 
> speculation on my part.
> > > (Please fill in the missing blanks.)
> > >
> > > Yesterday I read a blurb about Websphere version 6 coming out
> > in December.
> > > Is WDSCi being upgraded as part of this announcement?
> > >
> > > db
> >
> > It probably means that the next release will get a decent 
> version number,
> > instead of the rather idiotic 5.1.2 we are having now.
> >
> > Joep Beckeringh
> 
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RE: RE: 5.1.2 Program Call Wizard - Error
