RE: Interview question

I agree with others. It would not tell me anything about the applicant that I need to know. Was this question asked in advance or was this to be done during a face-to-face interview?

I was preparing some interview questions once when I was getting ready to hire and asked my staff at the time for some suggestions. One of them came back with something like "What does ^[+-]?(\d+(\.\d+)?|\.\d+)([eE][+-]?\d+)?$ do?" Knowing what a regular expression is and what they are useful for would be good, but being able to interpret something like this, on the spot, is not.

That person was not happy working writing business applications and left shortly after.

Mike Cunningham



-----Original Message-----
From: RPG400-L [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Blake Moorcroft
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 4:20 PM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries) <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Interview question

Hello Craig...

This is one of those "professor algorithm" questions as I like to call them...something that is very difficult to process but which has a questionable world use.

My response question to company giving out the question would be "How would this application be used in real world processing?"

If their response doesn't come back with something intelligent, then that would speak volumes.

Have a good day.


Blake Moorcroft
Analyst/Programmer - Corporate
Farrow
2001 Huron Church Road, PO Box 333, Windsor, Ontario N9A 2L6
Bus: 519-966-3003 ext. 566
blake.moorcroft@xxxxxxxxxx




From: "Craig Pelkie" <craig@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 06/29/2016 04:12 PM
Subject: Interview question
Sent by: "RPG400-L" <rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



A recruiter friend of mine sent me the following. My reply to him is included below. Any thoughts?



Craig Pelkie



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Begin message sent to me:



I am working with a large IBM i client and they are giving my candidates a programming quiz that everyone is failing. I am wondering how difficult this quiz is or is there some trick that everyone is missing in reading the instruction. Could you please look at the instructions below and let me know your thoughts? Is this something everyone should know or is it really so difficult that only 5% of Developers would be able to get this?



Problem Solving Exercises
In the RPG programming language, write a method that modifies a string
using

the following rules:

1. Each word in the input string is replaced with the following:
the first letter of the word, the count of distinct letters between the
first and last letter, and the last letter of the word. For
example, "Automotive" would be replaced by "A6e".

2. A "word" is defined as a sequence of alphabetic characters, delimited
by
any non-alphabetic characters.

3. Any non-alphabetic character in the input string should appear in the
output string in its original relative location.

Thanks for your time.



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Begin my reply:



I am sorry to say that you have fully and completely pressed my “contempt”
button with this question. That is, this is perhaps the worst “programming
exercise” I have seen for RPG.



Immediate problems:



1. What constitutes a “letter”, what constitutes a “non-alphabetic”
character? Is “a” and “A” the same letter, or different? I assume that a
blank space is a “non-alphabetic” character. What about characters like
“?”,
“!”, “#”, “$”, “(“, “)” and so on. Are those counted as “distinct letters”
or are they “non-alphabetic” characters? What about numerals 0-9? Is this
limited to U.S. English EBCDIC, or do non-US English characters need to be
taken into consideration? What about characters like ñ, does that count
as
“n” or a separate character?

2. What should be done for sequences of “alphabetic characters” that
are only one or two characters long? Examples: “I”, “my”, “37”, “#$” how
should those be dealt with?

3. For Item 3, give an example. What happens if the string is
“1no#yes”, or something like that? Does the leading “1” count as
alphabetic
or non-alpha?



It looks like this client has a “genius” RPG programmer who has
successfully
managed to bamboozle the management with bulls..t. This is the type of
question that you see in college programming courses.



Far more relevant would be things like this:



1. You are presented with a working RPG program that has a
subroutine
of 2000 lines, with nested DO/IF constructs to a depth of 20 levels. There
is a bug somewhere within the routine that you need to track down and fix.
Describe some techniques you would use to identify the bug, make a fix,
and
test that the fix does not cause additional errors.

2. Discuss the role of “refactoring” when working with existing
code.

3. Demonstrate examples of how to define RPG procedures, including
procedures that return a single value (example: return an integer),
procedures that return no value, and procedures that need to return more
than one value. Demonstrate how to code procedure parameters, including a
no-parameter procedure, procedure with one parameter, required vs.
optional
parameters.

4. You need to add a feature to a program where all 99 of the
numeric
indicators (*IN01 - *IN99) have already been used. The program does not
use
subprocedures, it uses subroutines (so everything has global scope). The
feature that you need to add will control a field on a display file, for
which you will need to use at least 2 indicators to set display attribute
values. Discuss how you would add the feature to the program. The program
is
written in RPG/400 and cannot be converted to ILE RPG.

5. For Q4, the program is written in ILE RPG. Discuss how to add the
feature, given the same constraints (all 99 indicators already in use).



(manager) at (client) had the best “interview” question I’ve encountered
yet: he sent me a small but non-trivial program that they needed a fix to,
and had me work on it to create the fix. That was much more realistic than
this misguided attempt to judge programming aptitude.



My suggested questions (1-5) above are actually based on code I’ve worked
on
at (client). I think it is far more realistic to test an RPG candidate
based
on their ability to deal with legacy code than to test for brain-twisters,
just so the tester can gloat about their superior solution. I would hate
to
have to work on code that the person who came up with this created, it is
probably full of “tricks” that are done more for personal
self-aggrandizement rather than for clearly solving business problems.



Craig