Re: Computerworld lists obsolete job titles -- RPG400-L

100% in agreement Gary.

I would also add that I’ve taught RPG to many Java/C++/.Net/etc. programmers and most of them embrace record I/O as being simpler - particularly where RPG’s automatic data distribution can be used to advantage e.g. You read a record and all the bulk of the print fields are already populated automagically. They are happy to have a choice of choosing the simplest technique for the job.

I don’t know why we always have to get into this “one size fits all” philosophy.

Too often we get stuck on “The answer is SQL - now what was the question?"

Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com

On Dec 4, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Monnier, Gary <Gary.Monnier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Without a problem or don't have a choice?

Funny how so many believe SQL is "modern". SQL is actually about 40 years old. It was first devised in the early 1970s with Oracle utilizing it in the late 1970s.

Funny how PL-SQL and Transact-SQL gave way to "modern" languages.

Funny how the "modern" languages retained such an elderly data access methodology.

I'm not against SQL. I'm not against file I/O . I'm not against Non-SQL databases and their data access methods. As always, you use what is best for a given situation or, what you have available.

I do take exception to SQL being termed "modern" and you must go to SQL-based databases to "modernize". I've stated it many many times: Get away from the terms "modern" and "modernize" when you really mean decouple your database from your user interface.

-----Original Message-----
From: RPG400-L [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Campin
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:46 AM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: Computerworld lists obsolete job titles

Funny how the rest of the world does that complicated SQL without a problem. It is only on the iSeries that we seem to think that we have to do file I/O.Gee and we wonder why we being called obsolete.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Monnier, Gary <Gary.Monnier@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Because it is, to them, a new and exciting technology! Just think, no
more complicated SQL needed! Wow, it is almost functional
programming! ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: RPG400-L [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Alan Campin
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 8:53 AM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: Computerworld lists obsolete job titles

Why would a Java Programmer who was weaned on SQL be doing file I/O
other than having to do maintenance? A modern programmer would be
using SQL for I/O except for screen and prints.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:36 AM, James H. H. Lampert <
jamesl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jamesl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

On 12/3/14 2:48 PM, Jon Paris wrote:

Tell ‘em to hire a Java programmer and train them in RPG. Introduce

them via the free-form version (latest) and then when they are

comfortable with that show them the old ugly stuff if you have to.

We have several clients who have used this approach and it works
very

well.

It is particularly gratifying when you hear the Java programmers

discussing rewriting some of their Java code in RPG because “It
will

be a hell of a lot simpler”.

It would be even simpler if they know about The Cycle, and how to
ride

it, and especially how to take unconventional rides on it.

Secondary files and level breaks are probably more trouble than

they're worth, but getting a free ride through a primary file
instead

of having to walk through it, and having a built-in event-loop for
an

interactive program, are well worth learning the basics of The Cycle.

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