I won't lower myself to re-titling this thread -that was pretty petty.
I had promised myself that even if you mis-quoted me I wouldn't waste my "breath" getting into it - but there are two blatant mis-quotes/misinterpretations in your post that I will respond to if for no other reason than you decided to hijack the thread for your own purposes and misquoted me in doing so.
1) What I _said_ was "I don't know anyone who simplistically states that PHP is easier to learn than Java."
How anyone could read "PHP not Easier to Learn than Java" into that belies belief.
2) What I _said_ was "I have and do say that PHP can be easier for many RPG programmers to learn because you can code without having to get totally into OO. I know personally many programmers (myself included) who tried to learn Java but were never able to get comfortable with it. Many of those have subsequently tried pHP and been successful."
I made that as personal a statement of _belief_ as I could. How anyone can twist that around and respond that "You can't program OO PHP but not be able to program Java." again defies comprehension. In PHP I can (and do) code procedurally, but I can (and do) exploit other peoples OO efforts by using their methods and objects without having to fully code my own stuff in OO.
At the end of the day you have a hate on for PHP - fine. You don't like it and you are good at Java - good for you. I'm apparently not blessed with the OO gene and therefore find coding in a pure OO style difficult to get my head around - my bad. But I have been able to do things with PHP that I struggled with in Java. Perhaps foolishly I like to believe that I'm not the only person in the RPG world who has experienced that problem.
I have never said that Java is a bad language or that one should not try to learn it. I have said that for me PHP is a better fit. And I will continue to say that because IT IS MY OPINION and I am as entitled to one as anyone else.
Rant away all you want - I've said my piece.
Jon Paris
www.Partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com
On Feb 4, 2011, at 5:08 PM, rpg400-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Okay. Gonna quote that a LOT. Jon Paris says that PHP is not easier to
learn than Java. Got it. PHP is a transition language. Transition to
what, we're not sure. Maybe Java.
Okay. Gonna quote that a LOT. Jon Paris says that PHP is not easier to
learn than Java. Got it. PHP is a transition language. Transition to
what, we're not sure. Maybe Java.
The syntax is very similar because both "stole" their basic syntax from C.
Not true. C has nothing for try/catch or object syntax. You might have
gotten partial credit for this answer if you'd said C++ rather than C,
since PHP is actually closer to C++ with the arrow syntax, but C?
I have and do say that PHP can be easier for many RPG programmers to learn because you can code without having to get totally into OO. I know personally many programmers (myself included) who tried to learn Java but were never able to get comfortable with it. Many of those have subsequently tried pHP and been successful.
You can't program OO PHP but not be able to program Java. The syntaxes
are exactly the same, as I've shown. If you're using just procedural
PHP, that's different. Then you're just using one of a bazillion
scripting languages, many of which are better than PHP.
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