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Re: Future of RPG was: Open Access for RPG

If there is a free 5250 bridge in Zend that can run any given
with full security I can probably integrate it.

Menusystems are easy to write, unless you want to be able to
create them dynamically with different design for different
users and/or user groups. What you see is only the top of the
iceberg, every menu, grid or panel can have different layout
for different users and/or groups without programming a single
statement.

Henrik.




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Zend for the "i" has a 5250 bridge component that would fill the gap. also

you can write your code to handle a "single" login for your entire
application. as far as a menuing system, those are so easy to write it's
pathetic...

PHP is a fairly easy syntax to pick up and has some pretty powerful
functionality for a scripting language. it's also free (there are some
other components that are pay for use but the base is free).

Thanks,
Tommy Holden



From: "Dave" <daveML@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: 07/29/2010 08:45 AM
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This is very nice, but like most of the frameworks I have seen in either
open source or community versions, I think one key element is missing: a
bridge for existing 5250 apps.

A web-based framework for menuing, security, and all the gui-ness the
users
might desire is great. But as soon as you start saying 'open this icon
and
login and go here for Customer History and open that icon and login and go


there for Order Entry, etc' then you have made their lives (and yours)
more
complicated.

It has been a while since I have played with TN5250j, and there might be
other viable replacements by now, but if any of these frameworks had
modules
like it to handle legacy apps in the transition, then I know more shops
would be willing to move.

I personally have played/worked with a few frameworks: Joomla,
Dotnetnuke,
Renaissance, Valence. I have never really looked at bridging 5250 apps in


though, but I have often thought it would be great if they could.


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I'm not planning to do it, I have done it (with a litte help from ExtJS)
;-)

http://85.24.84.163:1550

Henrik




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Of course, if you're planning to build a javascript framework yourself,
you're best choice is to go with plain Javascript.


I was talking about creating an end-user application.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:01:52 +0200

You forgot to mention Open Source projects like jQuery and ExtJS,
with quite a number of millions of users - they are coded in -
OOjavascript.

No DOM has nothing to do with javascript as well as DB2 has
nothing to do with RPG - but both are manipulated by the
programming.

Henrik




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Nobody sane these days programs UI code directly in Javascript.There
are

powerful tools such as GWT (develop in Java, deploy in Javascript), or
even EGL CE to do this.

Btw, apart from the DOM (which has nothing to do with Javascript the
language) Javascript is a very neat OO language.For RPG'ers who want to
delve into scripting/browser UI and OO programming it's a good idea to
learn and use Javascript.It's not a difficult language and a fast
turn-around, meaning you get instant reward.It's pure OO, and even has
some "functional" aspects.Just make a simple HTML page, put some
Javascript in it and you can do all kinds of neat things.It's ideal for
trial-and-error learning.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:36:24 +0200

Simply to reduce learningcurves. If you agree that the future
is browserbased, the one and only programming language is
javascript (in the browser), so why not share the same syntax
on core statements on the server ?

Yes, there will be differences, browsers has DOM and AJAX,
servers has CHAIN and SQL, but a for or an if statement or
a function call could easely be the same.

A fix format RPG programmer that moves to FREE will probably
also end up coding something in a browser - why learn two new
core language syntaxes if you could spare one of them ?

Henrik




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If RPG is taken to 100% free form then I would totally agree with>
taking all the best syntax from other languages and putting them
into>

RPG
Why?? If it's already such a good "business language" why throw in
other

syntax??

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:33:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Future of RPG was: Open Access for RPG
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If RPG is taken to 100% free form then I would totally agree with
taking all the best syntax from other languages and putting them
into
RPG. But trying to tailor it after a specific language wouldn't be
as
beneficial in the end because you would be taking the baggage of
that
language's syntax with it. For example, we shouldn't really need a
semi-colon at the end of statements.

At the end of the day, any major changes to RPG to make it more
modern
should be critiqued heavily because many times things are added to
languages as flavors of the year and end up being baggage in the
long
run.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com
http://mowyourlawn.com/blog/



On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Okey Aaron,

yes

eg. calling a subprocedure (why is it named "subprocedure" when
every
body
else calls it a function or a method in a class = serviceprogram
?

abcfunction({
parm3:'abc'
patm2:%trim(myname)
parm1:'chain'
});
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