RE: RPG on the Tiobe Index

Soylent Green is ...

1. Off topic.
2. a sci fi movie from 1973.
(excellent for it's day)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/


Norm Dennis

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On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2009 12:32 AM
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Subject: Re: RPG on the Tiobe Index

Soylent green is...

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Tom Deskevich <
thomas.l.deskevich@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

and when we all become solvent green, some poor college grad that is
assigned to legacy code will have to figure out a program that used all 99
indicators on an calc spec in an RPGII program running in S36EE....

Then he will complain at lunch with the senior VB.NET programmers while he
munches on his solvent green....

Almost sounds like a movie....Dilbert could be the star...

Tom Deskevich
Infocon Corporation
Phone 814-472-6066
Fax 814-472-5019


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:59 AM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
Subject: Re: RPG on the Tiobe Index


You're experienced. You're not the growth of the language. Neither am I.

We

are the base of the language. And I think that's true for all the
languages.
Are they all skewed the same way, and book sales (or whatever) only shows
growth and not usage? And if that's true, then I think it would be safe to
say that those metrics would show the 'health' of the language.

Eventually,

every programmer will retire/quit/die/whatever. The language will only

life

if new people use it.

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Nathan Andelin <nandelin@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

From: Hans Boldt
And yet by your own admission, you do watch the TIOBE index!
Why keep track of the numbers if there's no value to it?

I don't put much stock in indexes that track Internet requests or book
sales. I write a lot of RPG code. But I don't search the Internet or

buy

books on RPG. I refer to the IBM manuals or search Midrange Archives.

Is

that just me?

If IBM were to publish the number of compiler licenses sold each year,

I'd

probably watch that.

Also, I have argued that RPG is not appropriate for certain tasks,
such as CGI programming. But I believe you yourself have made
that point too!

CGIDEV2 and other toolkits make RPG a good language for CGI programming.
But on the other hand, CGI is not the best architecture for Web

application

development, and IBM doesn't appear to be interested in extending it.

So, the community is kind of on our own, or using 3rd party interfaces.

In

the past few years, my colleagues and I have deployed hundreds of RPG

based

web applications. And they compete favorably against J2EE, MS .Net, and

PHP

alternatives.

Nathan.




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