RE: Free-Form vs Fixed Form.

What's the best way to get started with WSDC? It's been on my 'to-do'
list for a long time. I started, but got frustrated. I only learned the
very, very basics, then quickly went back to green screen.
I printed off the 'getting started' from (I think) Partner400.com, but
found I need lots more info. Good information, but it didn't cover too
much, IMHO.

John 

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Subject: RE: Free-Form vs Fixed Form.

I have to agree with Charles.  Physically force yourself to use it over
a month, and you'll love it.  Join the WDSC list, throw some questions
out, screw it up, bang it around, you'll get the hang of it.  Just using
the outline view to refresh and then being able to bring up field names
by typing the first few characters and pressing CTRL + SPACE to see what
matches saves me an hour each day.  The BIF's syntax, blah blah blah,
it's just so useful it's uncanny.  Makes me lazy though.  I'd rather not
code in green screen anymore...  too much trouble lol.

Ron Power
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Wes,

This should really be on the WDSCi list but....

If you're truly doing modern ILE RPG IV coding then using SEU instead of
CODE/400 or WDSCi is simply wrong.

The productivity enhancements of code-assist and the outline view are by
themselves tremendous.

Yes it takes a bigger PC, but I ran WDSCi at home quite happily on an
old slot-A Athlon 850 with less than 1GB RAM (I think 512 or 768).

Force yourself to use WDSCi for a couple of weeks.  You won't go back.

Charles Wilt
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> [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wes Reinhold
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:46 PM
> To: 'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'
> Subject: RE: Free-Form vs Fixed Form.
> 
> Why don't you get off this tired horse and talk about 
> something worthwhile:
> Like is it really worth it to dump SEU in favor of the 'Modern
> Alternatives'?  I fully  embrace /Free, but can not see the 
> value of these
> other alternatives.  I was at COMMON last fall and got the 
> full brain wash,
> but am not convinced.
> 
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> On Behalf Of Scott Klement
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:32 PM
> To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
> Subject: Re: Free-Form vs Fixed Form.
> 
> 
> > /free syntax checking in SEU is essentially non-existent in 
> v5r2.  I'm not
> > sure the syntax checker has *ever* flagged anything within a /free -
> > /end-free block.  And, believe me, I had all kinds of 
> newbie syntax errors
> > early on, but had to rely on a compile listing *ERR scan to 
> find them.
> 
> Have you found it to be better in WDSC?  I haven't.
> 
> In my experience, /FREE statements are pretty much always 
> EVAL or CALLP 
> statements.  Fixed-format statements don't validity check the 
> "extended 
> factor 2" portion of those statements, either.  The only real 
> advantage as 
> far as validity checking goes is when you're using other 
> opcodes besides 
> EVAL and CALLP... that's why it's "slightly better" for fixed 
> format stuff 
> vs. free format stuff...  because it's better for those 
> opcodes besides 
> EVAL and CALLP, which make only a small percentage of my programs.
> 
> > Not intending to beat *this* dead horse again, but, dang, 
> if we could just
> > get rid of the statement-ending semicolons!
> 
> We're not talking about how the language shoudl've been 
> designed (in this 
> thread)  This discussion is about the pros and cons of fixed 
> vs. free. 
> Can we please not go off on the tangent of telling IBM how to 
> design a 
> language that's already been designed and is already in 
> production where 
> it can't be changed?  Thanks.
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