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Alan, Bob, I think you are missing my point. So below is clipped example. Admittedly each subroutine could be a procedure, but why? I would have to pass all needed values to each procedure, while not a big deal why? The API this code is from has only two exported procedures, but there are 12 internal procedures (required because of the need to use an attribute of procedures) and 14 subroutines. The subroutines are local to each procedure, thus if I made them procedures I would have several initialize, validateparms, etc... procedures and would have to uniquely name them. Why go to the effort? I could remove the subroutines and do everything inline (like C) but with the logic compartmentalized in subroutines it is eaiser to read and understand, especially by others IMO. I really want to understand your point of view: if you only learn from those who agree with you you learn nothing. Duane Christen /*++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++ /* Procedure Code /*++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++ /Free ExSr initialize; ExSr validateParms; forceRetreival = *OFF; Select; When lrnFormat = 'RTVLRN0100'; ExSr getCurrentLRN; ExSr loadLRNFormat0100; When lrnFormat = 'RTVLRN0105'; forceRetreival = *ON; ExSr getCurrentLRN; ExSr loadLRNFormat0100; Other; sndPM_Msg_Id = 'PVM1000'; %SubSt(SndPM_Data : 1 : 20) = 'LRN Info. Format'; %SubSt(SndPM_Data : 21 : 10) = lrnFormat; stringLength = 54; %SubSt(sndPm_Data : 31 : 2) = binLength; %SubSt(sndPm_Data : 33 : stringLength) = %Trim(lrnFormats.Format(1)) + '&N' + %Trim(lrnFormats.Format(2)); /Include QRPGCBSRC,CQMHSNDPM EndSl; Return; //========================================================================== ================= // Get Current LRN from Stack or RASP //========================================================================== ================= BegSr getCurrentLRN; stackIndex = findLineInStack(line0100.Line); If stackIndex = 0; // LRN Not Found in stack stackIndex = putLineInStack(line0100.Line : // Get LRN from NEC and getCurrentRaspLRN(line0100.Line)); // put it in the stack ElseIf forceRetreival; updateLineInStack(line0100.line : stackIndex : getCurrentRaspLRN(line0100.Line)); // put it in the stack EndIf; EndSr; //========================================================================== ================= -----Original Message----- From: Alan Campin [mailto:Alan.Campin@xxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:24 PM To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Assembly programmers do it a byte at a time I agree this whole thing gets to be a religious issue. Shouldn't be but it is. I think one issue that has only been touched on with using subroutines vs. procedures and that is static storage. In writing an RPG IV program, static storage should be reduced to the absolute minimum that you need. One of the primary values of using subprocedure is that you have local variables. Unless you are using subroutines inside procedures, you end up with everything being global and everything static. The more static variables that use, the more work the operating system has to do to manage that static storage. You will find article from Susan Gartner when she was still with IBM talking about just this problem on the web. "C" type languages, which RPG IV is, are very efficient at managing automatic storage (local variables) and very inefficient at managing static storage. A well written RPG IV ILE program should have almost no static storage other than maybe what is brought in by files and embedded Sql on reduce that even more. Using service programs to implement file I/O can reduce that to almost nothing. A procedure can be a black box. A subroutine can never be. When I write a program, each procedure is a black box, self contained to do it's job referring to global variables as little as possible. Why would I want to keep referring up to a long list of global variables when I can just have the variables I need to solve the problem in the procedure? Why have to think about the whole program when I can think about nothing except the problem I am working on? That's why I use procedures! Oh well. Like I said. Religious issue. I have this on going battle with the guy next to me who refuses to use subprocedure for all the same reasons. All you can do is not talk about it or the air heats up.
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