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Joel, "Giving them a PC that..." While you did not say it, this statement reminds me that many people in our market space (and I'm not say you are this way) wait until the employer "gives them" the thing they need. Whereas in many other IT market spaces, the programmer will go out and pay for it themselves or figure out a way to force the employer to get it for them. It is very strange that people in our marketspace who are making a lot of money, worry about $80 or $150 expense items related to their job. My brother is a mechanic and has spent over $4000 in tools so he can do his job better. He does not make as much as a good RPG programmer makes. But I'll bet that most (all?) "good RPG programmers" haven't spent even $200 in there lifetime on things they needed to do their job. People active on this list are usually the exceptions since this list is very tiny compared to the market space as a whole. At a client of mine where they all had PC's with 256Mb in them. A couple programmers wanted to use CODE/400 and one wanted to try WDSc. But none of them was willing to ask for more memory for the corporate-issued PC. So I took them out and paid for their memory upgrades and we installed them in their systems, unofficially. Cost me about $400 or so if I remember right. Then they offered to take me to lunch. When the bill came they said "We'll get that." Then one of the co-workers said "Make sure to take the receipt so we can turn it in." Their net-cost? Zero, their employer's cost? About $45 for pizza for five. So why couldn't those 4 people go out and pay $100 at the time for memory for their own PCs that they use day in and day out? SO the company gets to keep the memory if they ever leave, so what? While you get to use it you get things done faster, can run WDSc or CODE/400 and you get to go home to your family on time more often. It is an interesting sociological phenomenon. I'm not saying this is a wrong attitude, it is just different from many other environments. -Bob Cozzi www.RPGxTools.com If everything is under control, you are going too slow. - Mario Andretti -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joel Fritz Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:33 PM To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Missed the fact that a line was commented out... I have 512 meg and wdsci runs acceptably. I only use it for editing green screen stuff. CODE400 is included in the package and, as you said, it runs on a less powerful pc. It can give you the same productivity boost for straight coding. To run Win XP with more than a couple of apps going you need 512 meg anyway to have a relatively pleasant experience. I bought a home pc about 18 months ago for $700 that's big enough to run WDSCI reliably. They're cheaper now. Programmers may not need a gamer type pc, but I think there's a strong business case for giving them a pc that is at least as powerful as one other people use for e-mail, word processor, spreadsheet, and web browsing. My employer is pretty frugal when it comes to pcs. -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Cozzi Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:12 AM To: 'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries' Subject: RE: Missed the fact that a line was commented out... The problem with WDSc is the cost. It is so expensive. I know, I know it is "free" but if you don't already have a PC big enough to run it, it is a $1000 per programmer product. Granted that was $2500 per programming some 18 months ago, and will continue to fall, but so will oil prices. Today it is very costly to get into WDSc. CodeSTudio and CODE/400 can run on a Piece-of-S--- (aka "POS") PC with little trouble. Someday all PCs will have 1GB memory minimum and we'll be calling them POS's because 8 to 16 GB will be the high-end. -Bob Cozzi www.RPGxTools.com If everything is under control, you are going too slow. - Mario Andretti -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joel Fritz Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:27 PM To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Missed the fact that a line was commented out... Hmm...It was faster than SEU for me in about an hour. Just having the tab key move the cursor from field to field in fixed format gave me a boost. For the first week I used mostly SEU line commands and gradually learned how to use the tools in WDSCI (well I stared with CODE400.) 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