RE: RPGIV: RPGIII to get a facelift? -- RPG400-L

People don't migrate from it IMO mostly due to 3-party packages that are
developed in RPGIII(RPG II even!!!)  Until ISV's distribute only RPG IV
packages this is really a moot point.  Companies will support whatever
software they have installed in whatever language it's developed in..as
someone else mentioned the only addition a "fee" would provide is additional
motivation to use "cheaper" MS compliant (cr)applications & (f)utilities.
In short....I agree as a developer RPG III (& especially S/36) being removed
from memory would save me a lot of headaches but it is not likely to happen
anytime (& I hope I can add the word "soon"...remember COBOL & RPG are dead
due to JAVA....LOL)

Thanks,
Tommy Holden


-----Original Message-----
From: rob@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:rob@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:49 AM
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Subject: RE: RPGIV: RPGIII to get a facelift?


I hear you buddy.  What I do now involves the use of numerous 
subprocedures.

/free
 PrepareCursor();
 OpenCursor();
 Dow sqlcod...;
   FetchCursor();
...

but this is really a separate thread from the possible enhancement of 
RPGIII or why people don't migrate from it.

Rob Berendt
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I'm gonna add my /free pet peeve....

no support for embedded sql!!!!

everytime I have to use embedded sql it's /free /end-free sql stuff /free
/end-free...

maybe just add this for free format:

   Exec SQL;
          Select MyStuff Into MyDS From MyFile;
   End-Exec; 

come on IBM please give us a fix!!! (FWIW I love free-format....but I 
prefer
a finished version =0)



Thanks,
Tommy Holden


-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Williams [mailto:colin.williams@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:52 AM
To: 'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: RE: RPGIV: RPGIII to get a facelift?


Reeve

It's the Programming Police. Your right, they should move everything over 
to
/FREE and get rid of the /FREE, /ENDFREE tags.

To get over the lack of goto's for display file processing, I use the FOR

Eg:

FOR I = 1 to 1

                 if x = true
                                 leave
                 endif

ENDFOR 

Works fine!

cheers
Colin.W
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Reeve [mailto:rfritchman@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 26 October 2004 08:15
To: rpgiv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: RPGIV: RPGIII to get a facelift?


I think IBM should focus 100% of their efforts on completing /FREE. 
Until RPG is a completely free-form language, it's incomplete and it does
nothing to bring new recruits into the fold.  I've talked with several
"older" programmers who feel no need to move to /FREE because H, F, D, and 
O
specs are still fixed-format.  Younger programmers just turn their nose up
at the current neither-fish-nor-fowl /FREE implementation.

Seeing a moderately contemporary progam littered with /END-FREE and /FREE 
is
more than moderately annoying.  I can use my service program library to
handle MOVE issues (and others) but the lack of a free-form GOTO/TAG is a
burr under my coding saddle.  My standard structure for handling a rich
mixture of command keys, help panels, and lookups is not well-suited for 
the
glib suggestion in the Reference manual to "use other operation codes, 
such
as LEAVE, LEAVESR, ITER, and RETURN" instead of GOTO.  Is there a 
technical
reason GOTO and TAG can't be free-formed?  Or is this the Programming 
Police
in action, telling us a complex set of nested loops for flow control
promotes program readability?  I'm thinking about my customers' junior
programmers trying to make sense out of Nested Loop Soup.

Like most of us, I spent a lot of time in non-/FREE code, and I'd like to
convert it to /FREE without rewriting it.  It's well-structured code (not
spaghetti); then I use CODE (i.e. leave WDSC, hop into CODE) to convert 
it,
and it gets ugly with /END-FREE and /FREE from dealing with the 
unsupported
op codes.

We have a tool, /FREE, to cut through layers of to-do lists.  It would be 
a
better tool if it were sharper, and charging for the rusty blades of old,
less efficient tools doesn't serve any purpose other than to annoy the 
small
number of customers requiring the facility for program maintenance.

-reeve


On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:28 -0500, Bob Cozzi <cozzi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> I spent one day at COMMON last week and talked with several of the IBM 
> Canada RPG IV developers.  One of the questions that was asked was if 
> IBM could/should start charging for the RPGII and RPGIII compilers 
> (some people call RPGIII, "RPG400").
> 
> Anyway, I suggested that IBM should enhance RPG IV with two new 
> features:
> 
> 1) Allow blank lines in the source code
> 2) Support the compiler parameters in the H spec, and translate those 
> parms when the CVTRPGSRC command is used.
> 
> Without leading your responses: I'm wondering if you feel charging for 
> RPGIII would help/encourage you to move to RPGIV more aggressively?
> 
> -Bob
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