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Dennis, > If someone doesn't know the RPG cycle they should learn it or go program >in another language. Please, let's not start this debate again, at least on this forum. Neither side convinces the other, and the arguments just go in circles (or is that cycles? <g>). If anyone feels the need to re-hash it, please refer to the archives. :) Or take it to a forum like CPF0000. Doug
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