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Bill,
I agree, it was bug ugly. But that was one of the benefits of using a
CASE tool. It automatically did that ugly stuff for you. Since RPG
finally has qualified data structures, but still doesn't have COBOL's MOVE
CORRESPONDING, it was helpful in some situations. Like the case in which
it was talked about earlier about not leaving a record locked when
displayed on a screen for a length of time.
Doing it just because you wanted to rename all fields down to 6 characters
or less, (which they still do on the version which is supposed to generate
RPGLE code) is tripping out.
Rob Berendt
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My back ground with AS/SET as a product came before BPCS. And had a few
members in the group I was in go to Chicago to help make that happen.
Believe me I do not think the RPG generated was the greatest but then
again it is a Case tool. Those move fields to work fields and back
subroutines. Yuk.
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Bill,
I changed the subject :-)
I've never met anyone in that boat. However I did hear of a COBOL shop
that moved to an iSeries that bought AS/SET to smooth out the RPG learning
curve. Being a former board member of the AS/SET Users Group, I can tell
you that there were shops using AS/SET that never purchased BPCS.
I don't use AS/SET anymore, but in it's day I think developers would have
been better off if they had generated the source into QTEMP and never
looked at it. By concentrating on the finished product is where it had
it's benefit. Looking at the source didn't allow you to see the forest
through the trees.
Rob Berendt
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Off topic. Rob have you ever met AS/SET BPCS person that claimed you did
not need to now any RPG.
Bill Hopkins
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I disagree.
That boss had SEVERAL years to start learning ILE. Based on that I assume
that shop will never have any Java, Visual Basic or any other languages
that the manager didn't learn while in college.
But, I've seen people react like this. For example we have a very simple
batch SQL program that was originally written by a person who 'left' in
May of 2000. All of a sudden, after some ptf's, etc, it generates some
SQL errors. After I've opened up a pmr with IBM that manager decides to
rewrite the program from scratch, (granted, it was developed in AS/SET.)
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Can her reaction be a surprise? He's gone and suddenly she has a
non-useful
application and bosses breathing down her neck.
In a perfect world all IT shops would have 20% or more of programmer time
budgeted for training. But alas... it will never happen.
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.....
Another horror story I have heard in the past year - another colleague
of mine had written a stand-alone application completely in RPGIV. He
even designed his database with 10-character field names and date and
time fields. He used sub-procedures. Then he cut his hand with a
band-saw and was out on medical leave for 2 1/2 months.
Needless to say, one of his managers had to make a change to his app.
She didn't understand any of it, so, she re-wrote the entire thing in
RPG/400. When he came back off of medical leave, he was told he could
not use any RPGIV at all, ....
Bob Cagle
IT Manager
Lynk, Inc.
913-492-9202 x41
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