RE: Using % type functions/using RPG IV

Does it matter?  Only one thing is for sure - no ERP vendor is going back to selling green-screen apps to an AS/400-only market.

Blown budgets, missed deadlines, did these terms join IS when multi-platform ERP's arrived?  Hardly.  Those buzzwords go back to the Eniac-1 !

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From: boothm@earth.Goddard.edu [mailto:boothm@earth.Goddard.edu]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 5:20 PM
To: RPG400-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Using % type functions/using RPG IV

Joel, I asked the question earlier about ERP.  Are any of the firms like
JD Edwards that raced over to the New World of platform independence
having successful installations?  I am sure they are somewhere, but you
know, all I hear are tales of blown budgets, missed deadlines, and
projects that were scoped wrong.

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"Stone, Joel" <StoneJ@GourmetAward.com>
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02/07/2000 03:40 PM
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Jon - Do you really think JDE is the "exception" who has switched to a
"different paradigm"?  In my opinion, the only vendors still strong and
enhancing their products are the ones who switched away from RPG and moved
(years ago) to a multi-platform computing environment.
JDE switch to non-RPG development I think in the early 90's.  Lawson did
it before that.  They both have case tools which output non-RPG code to
run the same apps on the customer's choice of AS/400, NT, Unix, etc.
I know that our company didn't even consider an AS/400-only solution when
they chose an ERP last year, and I doubt that any prospect would buy into
an RPG app in this millenium, whehter it is RPG2, 3, 4, or 10!   It is
just too limiting.   Businesses want the flexibility to move to another
platform if they need to in the future.
Quote from Jon: "The exceptions are those like JDE who have switched to a
different paradigm
(sorry couldn't think of another word).  Even these are reconsidering".
Come one Jon - are you actually thinking the big AS/400 ERP vendors are
considering going backwards from platform independence to RPG?  Is that
why JDE spent 5 years and hundreds of millions of $ moving from RPG to GUI
C?  Are you saying SAP is considering moving to RPG?  Is BAAN switching to
RPG development?
Can you name one major player that is considering switching to RPG that
spent millions moving away from RPG?
The only vendors still coding in RPG appear to have either: no competition
(a niche player) or are milking a maintenance revenue stream.  But the
latter group is not signing on any new customers!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon.Paris@halinfo.it [mailto:Jon.Paris@halinfo.it]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:43 PM
To: RPG400-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Using % type functions/using RPG IV

  >> An exception to this would be MAPICS.
Many of the big and medium size vendors are switching their new versions
to RPG
IV - although if they are all like the one that Susan saw last week at a
client's site it may not be such a good idea!  (Can you remember the early
"Native" apps on AS/400 <g>)
The exceptions are those like JDE who have switched to a different
paradigm
(sorry couldn't think of another word).  Even these are reconsidering
since many
of their users have demonstrated that they have no intention of switching
to the
new versions.
As has also been pointed out here it is perfectly possible to do a
straight
CVTRPGSRC on the vendor software and do your in-house mods on that.  If
fixes
etc. come in, you convert them too before comparing and re-integrating. In
some
cases the vendor has announced that there will be no new releases of the
existing product.  When this happened I'd be headed for my RPG IV
conversion
tools faster than ........

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