Re[2]: RPG 400 code on the NET -- RPG400-L

     "What we need is an EXAMPLE library that can be downloaded and 
     searched."
     
     Sounds to me like wheel-reinventing.  Besides, the whole point of 
     code-sharing is that if you don't like the way a library is 
     implemented, you can change it to suit yourself.  If you think the 
     change improves the library, share it back out.
     
     I realise that this approach doesn't suit all shops, but look at it 
     this way - if you get a service program, complete with source code, 
     then you automagically *get* an example library.  The important 
     difference is that the example library has been subjected to extensive 
     peer review, and proven to work in other installations.  Hopefully.
     
     "Hell that would be building another Microsoft Windows environment. 
     Lots of DLL to use and no way to see if they have bugs."
     
     Au contraire, the single biggest problem with Windows is the fact that 
     the source code is closed.  I *strongly* advocate the publication of 
     source code with libraries, for the precise purpose of being able to 
     find the bugs.  The DLL concept is one of the (few) strengths of 
     Windows, and it warmed my heart to see service programs arrive on the 
     '400.
     
     ____________
     Paul Cunnane
     The Learning Company


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Subject: RE: RPG 400 code on the NET
Author:  Chris Bipes <ChrisB@Cross-check.com> at InterNet
Date:    17-09-99 9:51 am


As a fairly new programmer to the ILE environment I love the code snippets I 
have received here.  What we need is an EXAMPLE library that can be 
downloaded and searched.  I am not looking for service programs to add to my 
library.  Hell that would be building another Microsoft Windows environment. 
Lots of DLL to use and no way to see if they have bugs.  The same function 
available in a multitude of service programs.
     
What we need to do is share Ideas.  Say Hey I have coded that before and 
here is how I did it.  We then can modify the source for our own in-house 
coding standards and add to our own in-house libraries.  Forget all 
copyrights and help each other out.  This list has help me to learn lots. 
When I have a completely tested Sockets service program that behaves the way 
I want it to,  I will post on this list.  I welcome all constructive 
comments that I may Get.  Here is a short cut to where I have posted my work 
to date.
     
HTTP://www.cableone.net/ckb62/socksrv.rpgle 
HTTP://www.cableone.net/ckb62/tcpipsock.rpgle 
HTTP://www.cableone.net/ckb62/tcpipsockp.rpgle
     
     
     
     
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-----Original Message-----
From: James W. Kilgore [mailto:qappdsn@ibm.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 9:41 PM
To: RPG400-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: RPG 400 code on the NET
     
     
Jim,
     
Now I'm no lawyer, but I disagree with you about the GPL license in regard 
to code
snippets.
     
As I read it, the GPL license prohibits one from profiteering from a 
derivative of
another's work.  In the original context of the GPL license, the original 
work is a
"full and working program".  Subsequent contributors would refine the 
original work.
     
The original author and contributors are all acknowledged.  It's more of an 
informal
resume building exercise.
     
For example, I have a routine which allows one to build an available Fxx key 
text
string on the fly.  As such, it is not a "full and working program" and I 
would not
place it in public domain under the GPL license.  I -would- put it out for 
public use
under a shareware license.
     
The normal practice for shareware would require that copyright be 
acknowledged and
notice of such retained in all derivative works.
The nominal request for "registration" fees aid in the support of 
experimental works.
It is a way of funding a hobby.
     
AFAIK, the GPL license requires that the source code be made available for 
anyone to
modify.  A service program under a shareware license would not have such a 
restriction.  There is a "free for personal use" clause, but a caveat about 
commercial
(for profit) use.  If you want to use the code in a commercial product, you 
must
contact the author and negotiate a license agreement.
     
This may be a better suited venue for AS/400 shared code.
     
Jim Langston wrote:
     
> I don't' think we want to do that, Paul.  If I use someone's code snippet 
> in a program I write, I want to be able to turn around and sell that
> program.  Well, right now I'm working for another company, and we
> are using everything in house, but others may want to sell their programs. 
>
> I have no objection to giving someone some code, they include it in 
> a program, then make a million dollars off it, more power to them. 
>
> What I think we are talking about here is making everyone's life 
> a lot easier by making us all reinvent the wheel.
>
> The GPL license says that if you use that code in your program, you 
> can not then sell your program.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim Langston
>
     
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