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Does that mean we are all destined to go the way of the COBOL programmer, unless we learn JAVA! >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: End of the Trail [mailto:endofthetrail@skyenet.net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 3:29 PM >>> To: RPG400-L@midrange.com >>> Subject: Re: Named Indicators... >>> >>> >>> >When I was on my RPG course, they discouraged the use of the INKx >>> indicators, but I can't remember why? >>> >>> Because they most likely came from the S38 world and did >>> not understand or >>> use them. I was taught otherwise, when coding RPG II ( >>> before structure if, >>> select, do, etc...) you used indicators everywhere. S38ers >>> use 01-24 for >>> cmd keys, S36er used 1-10 for record indicators. When >>> coding RPGII and >>> using the cycle, indicators (prior to Excmpt) controlled >>> your output, >>> compares, chains, most everything. A program with any size >>> used a bunch, >>> many were reused, a good coder developed a system so as to keep them >>> straight, 1-10 input records, 20-29 output, 30-39 comp, >>> 40-49 screen fields, >>> 80-89 error messages, 90-99 work or temp(reusable) etc... >>> Often documented >>> in the H spec were the Indicator Usage or method to their >>> madness. The K?s >>> were there from the S32 and were self-explainatory. (There >>> was a good >>> explaination earlier about the evolution of the K? >>> indictors) If you see a >>> K?, it came from a key/screen. They were handled (on/off) >>> by the system and >>> were not often used elsewhere (comp, chain, etc...) >>> >>> From: Gwecnal@aol.com : They are clear, universal, never >>> conflict with other >>> indicators, and are always free to use. The nice thing is >>> that virtually >>> every RPG programmer understands these indicators >>> thoroughly and never needs >>> to be brought up to speed. >>> >>> I recall my transition into a S38 shop on the 400. It took >>> my a long time >>> to find out how IN03 was coming on, I checked and double >>> checked the source, >>> the I specs, everywhere... It seem to appear out of >>> nowhere, then I found >>> out about redirect or assigning Indicators in the DDS. I >>> may have felt or >>> seemed foolish, but turn around is fair play. They had to >>> ask me about the >>> K?s when nativizing S36. Prior to the AS400, the oil(s36) >>> and water(s38) >>> wars roared. After a few years, I thought, they were over. >>> A united force >>> against a NEW foe, the PC Network and those no logic, data >>> manipulators with >>> their Reboot and Reload if it don't work ideas. >>> >>> It seems according to Midrange computing Survey, the AS400 >>> programer is all >>> but dead and gone. They show that about 50% are 40 to 50 >>> years old and only >>> about 10% are youngster that are up and coming. As a >>> matter of Fact, my >>> understanding only, until the push for coder, by the Y2K >>> scare, most schools >>> quit teaching RPG. I am in between, I started young on the >>> S34 some S32, >>> but am still below the 40 mark. I plan on staying in the business, >>> therefore, I have got to come to speed with the Network world. >>> >>> I am stepping of the soap box now! (that is most likly to old of a >>> statement also, the youngin' won't understand about a soap box). >>> >>> Eurrat >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Colin Williams <Williamsc@technocrats.co.uk> >>> To: 'RPG400-L@midrange.com' <RPG400-L@midrange.com> >>> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 5:04 AM >>> Subject: RE: Named Indicators... >>> >>> >>> >When I was on my RPG course, they discouraged the use of the INKx >>> >indicators, but I can't remember why? >>> > >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>> From: Gwecnal@aol.com [mailto:Gwecnal@aol.com] >>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 6:15 PM >>> >>>> To: RPG400-L@midrange.com >>> >>>> Subject: Re: Named Indicators... >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> In a message dated 99-08-21 18:05:46 EDT, you write: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> > How many do you really have to remember? F1(KA), F3(KC), >>> >>>> F4(KD), F5(KE), >>> >>>> > F12(KL), and F24(K?) are about all we ever use. >>> They are clear, >>> >>>> > universal, never conflict with other indicators, and are >>> >>>> always free to >>> >>>> > use. (I will admit to having to count out F24 because I >>> >>>> never actually >>> >>>> > use that one myself.) The nice thing is that >>> virtually every RPG >>> >>>> > programmer understands these indicators thoroughly and >>> >>>> never needs to be >>> >>>> > brought up to speed. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Two things 1) You have to remember to skip inko when >>> >>>> counting (and how many >>> >>>> remember to do that) and 2) Only S36 rpg II programmers >>> >>>> know about them. >>> >>>> Most programers that first learned rpg on a 38 or a 400 >>> >>>> (in a shop without >>> >>>> 36 legacy code) don't know about the ink? indicators (or >>> >>>> the cycle either). >>> >>>> These days that makes ink? aware rpg programmers the minority. >>> >>>> +--- >>> >>>> | This is the RPG/400 Mailing List! >>> >>>> | To submit a new message, send your mail to >>> RPG400-L@midrange.com. >>> >>>> | To subscribe to this list send email to >>> RPG400-L-SUB@midrange.com. >>> >>>> | To unsubscribe from this list send email to >>> >>>> RPG400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. >>> >>>> | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: >>> >>>> david@midrange.com >>> >>>> +--- >>> >>>> >>> >+--- >>> >| This is the RPG/400 Mailing List! >>> >| To submit a new message, send your mail to RPG400-L@midrange.com. >>> >| To subscribe to this list send email to >>> RPG400-L-SUB@midrange.com. >>> >| To unsubscribe from this list send email to >>> RPG400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. >>> >| Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: >>> david@midrange.com >>> >+--- >>> >>> +--- >>> | This is the RPG/400 Mailing List! >>> | To submit a new message, send your mail to RPG400-L@midrange.com. >>> | To subscribe to this list send email to RPG400-L-SUB@midrange.com. >>> | To unsubscribe from this list send email to >>> RPG400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. >>> | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: >>> david@midrange.com >>> +--- >>> +--- | This is the RPG/400 Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to RPG400-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to RPG400-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to RPG400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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