Re: [IBMiOSS] Interesting blog post

[Bill Gravelle <bill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

New media - what a bunch of BS?


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> On Jun 10, 2016, at 20:38, Mark S Waterbury <mark.s.waterbury@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Hi, Bill:
>
> Okay, so I read this entire blog post ...
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> What a bizarre view of "open source" on the IBM i.    As if there was /no such thing/ as "open source" on the AS/400 or iSeries OS/400 platform. /What utter no//n-sense and rubbish. /
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> And, to claim that Zend's version of PHP was the first open source application on the IBM i?  (Totally absurd, ludicrous, marketing drivel. The author apparently now works for Zend ...?)    How does this blog help to advance the cause of "open source" on the IBM i?    And Zend does not really support the true "open source" nature of PHP, because they make it available on the IBM i without the source code, and I have searched their web site, but I could not find any links to where you can even download the source code -- and /isn't that the whole idea of open-source/, that the source code is supposed to be "available"?    In this case, I was able to find the original PHP open source, but not on Zend's web site, but here:
>    http://www.deloli.net
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> And the original PHP web site;
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>    http://php.net
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> where you can download the source code from here:
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>    https://secure.php.net/downloads.php
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> _Other early open s__ource for OS/400_
> Almost since the very first few releases of PASE, there has been a recognition by at least some of us that you could load and run almost any open source software for AIX under PASE.  Here are some of the web sites that have supported this for many, many years:
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> http://bio.gsi.de/DOCS/AIX/aixpdslib/seas.ucla.edu/index.html
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>    http://www.perlz.org/aix/
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>    http://www.bullfreeware.com/_aixtoolbox/index.html_
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>
> But somehow, now, IBM wants us to believe that "open source" on IBM i is "something new" and oh, gee whiz, let's all wait with baited breath for IBM to decide to package up and release the next "open source" thing as an optional part of the absurd 5733-OPS LPP.  What a joke!
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> I can remember working with GCC on the IBM iSeries OS/400 under PASE as far back as 1999 or thereabouts.  And, there was the open source Apache Tomcat web server, that ran on the AS/400 as far back as V4R5, if not earlier.  (We had it running at Red Rocks Community College in about 2000 to 2001.)
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> And, there was this Redbook about how to compile and run the original open-source PHP on OS/400, using GCC -- see:
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>    http://www,redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/redp3639.html?Open
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> Notice the publication date -- January of 2003 -- several years before the purported "invention" of "open source" for IBM i by Zend in 2005.
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> /(I just hate clueless, mindless marketing drones who don't even know WTF they are talking about.//)/
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> *Wa**ke up, people!*
>
> Mark
>
> > On 6/10/2016 10:08 AM, Bill Gravelle wrote:
> > The collaborative community that is IBMiOSS in 2016
> >
> > http://blog.zend.com/2016/06/09/open-source-on-ibm-i-has-hell-frozen-over <http://blog.zend.com/2016/06/09/open-source-on-ibm-i-has-hell-frozen-over>
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