RE: Bill Gates and the H-1B Visa, Chapters 1 and 2

The last time I hired an H-1B, I paid them on a par with the rest of my
staff.
The last time I transferred an H-1B consultant to my team after paying
their firm $90/hour, they told me they were making $25/hour.

From my perspective this is the "outsourcing visa" and these unfortunate

employees are being badly taken advantage of.


John Arnold
(301) 354-2939


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[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Allen
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:08 PM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and the H-1B Visa, Chapters 1 and 2

Let's see, last time (3 yrs ago) I was in consulting the firm I worked
for and 2 other US firms were competing for the contract. The hourly
rate quoted by my company and the 2 US firms were within 10% of each
other (range $100-110 an hr). The contract went to one of the big
Indian outsourcing (I beleive it was Tata) for $35 an hour and my source
said the people actually doing the work got 1/3 of their billed rate as
wages!!!!!

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

SJL wrote:

Joe Pluta wrote:

By using that pool to deflate costs, MS (and any other company that

abuses the H-1B laws) is profiting by what they are not paying
American workers.

Joe -

You made a slight technical error with your statement above - one

commonly

made by our media, but more importantly our lawmakers. I know that
you

know

the truth about what I'm writing below, but those who read what you

wrote

above may interpret it the wrong way, so I'm going to correct you.

<snip>

I repeat, there is NOTHING in the H-1B law that requires employers
to

give

preference to American workers...

2) The 'prevailing wage' provision of the H-1B law is also easily
(and
usually) exploited by simply changing the title of the person's job
from something like 'software engineer' to 'systems analyst', thus
allowing

the

employer to legally pay substantially lower wages to the H-1B

worker.

The

law also allows the employer to do the salary survey to establish
the 'prevailing wage'.

This is why the H-1B guest workers are so cheap...employers don't
have

to

pay 'Market' salaries...

Thanks, Steve. I actually wasn't even touching that particular piece
of the argument, I was simply assuming that we all now know that H-1B
workers get paid less than the same American workers, and that because

of that the prevailing wage drops, and so students don't want to get
into the field, and thus the H-1B advocates can point to the falling
enrollment as evidence that they need more guest workers.

I forget that some people actually still think that the H-1B process
has real safeguards in place, although I think that if nothing else
we've disproven that theory to the folks on this list. But I could be

wrong; let's ask! Show of hands: do you think H-1B workers make MORE
or LESS than the workers they displace?

Joe
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