I work at a College (not a teacher) where we use I an i5 for our administrative systems and we also teach i5 based classes. From the college perspective it is very difficult to get students fresh out of high-school interested in i5 specific courses (CL, RPG, DDS, DB2/400). They have never heard of an i5 and come to college with either a Windows or Linux background. In order to run a class there needs to be at least 10 students interested in the topic and at a college of our size (6,000) it's hard to get 10 students who never heard of RPG interested enough to sign up. If we had the number of students that a major university had (60,000) it would be a lot easier. There is also the faculty who teach the classes to consider. Most of them have PhD's in computer science and spent most of the college life working on unix and very low level software development in C (compilers, hardware drivers, databases, operating systems, etc). Most do not know the business application development world. They want to teach what they know and find interesting. We are mostly a 2 year school but do have some students for 4 years. Our Computer Science department has moved to an almost exclusive Java development focus. CL is a required course buts it focus is on teaching about OS command environment, not application development on i5/OS. The students also push hard for the ability to do all their class work on their personal computer. Design, write, compile, test the entire application on a laptop from wherever they happen to be.
Our 2 year degree
http://www.pct.edu/catalog/majors/WT.shtml
Our 4 year degree
http://www.pct.edu/catalog/majors/BWD.shtml
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From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Crump, Mike
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE: i5 Youngsters
So, perhaps some descriptions of YIP and Academic Initiative and what
they are doing.
As well, certain platforms of the i5 are technologies that allow for
some bridging from other environments with either minimal effort or
slight effort - Domino, PHP, WAS/Java, SQL, etc.
Michael Crump
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Saint-Gobain Containers, Inc.
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COMMON also has the Young iSeries Professionals (YIPs) group, which is
made up of younger folks working on the platform. Pete Massiello used to
be involved with that group. Not sure if he still is.
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I would contact Linda Grigoleit lfg@xxxxxxxxxxx
She is in charge of the Academic Initiative. I think they have had some
pretty decent successes. Perhaps not enough to keep us all happy but
there have been some very good efforts and some very good results. She
should have some presentation material available as well.
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[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vance
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I have a manager/supervisor that is concerned about the "greying" of
his work force and the
ability to acquire younger programmers that are willing to work in the
i5 environment. I have
argued that when I came into programming in 1991 I just wanted to work
and did not care what kind
of programming I was doing. I ended up doing COBOL programming in a
mainframe environment and at
the time I thought it was good experience. Anyway, my supervisor seems
to think the new crop of
programmers are not as flexible in that regard and only want to learn
whats hot. Any thoughts
about how I can present a case to show that the system should be well
supplied with professionals
for at least the foreseeable future?
Vance
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