Phillip, My point was not necessarily that ASNA made any misrepresentations but I believe there are plenty associated to your partners in the Midrange Alliance. Having said that, opinions are opinions and anyone can attempt to prove a point by manipulating numbers to their benefit. It may be more my opinion as opposed to fact. I realize this but I for one am getting very tired by a lot of questionable tactics and incorrect representations. Not calling a spade a spade here has actually caused more problems than I could have realized. There are a few hardware and software vendors that permanently persona non grata with me due to their sales and marketing tactics. I've spoken to someone from ASNA on the subject and voiced the same concerns. I'll include my points from an email I sent in. "To whom it may concern: I find your association with the Midrange Alliance to be extremely troubling. While there are certain advantages with the ASNA product set I do find a number of statements, positions, and documents with the Alliance to be misleading and misrepresentative. Certain components of the enhancement and transformation maps are being misrepresented. While this may not be the fault of ASNA, by default your widely acclaimed association makes ASNA culpable for any statement made by the Alliance. Without proper clarification from ASNA I will find it hard to ever do business with ASNA in the future." I'm all for ASNA ensuring that there are multiple environments for iSeries developers to work with and I fully understand the desire to make sure that IBM's development map is not the only one that exists. We hounded IBM for years to give us something and they did. For whatever reason your product set is pretty much excluded from that. For some reason your company has chosen the Midrange Alliance to help accomplish generating an alternative approach. I personally find it a disconcerting approach. And I have larger concerns with the alliance. The extent of the alliance goes well beyond a development roadmap. I've always had a high respect for your company but this alliance and who you have partnered with (directly or indirectly) creates problems for me. I'm not opposed to good competition but my position is that your company should measure it's interest in the alliance based on a number of factors. If alienating certain customers is what you want to do I think you may well on the road to doing that - deserved or not. I'm not going to hash out all of the specific concerns I have within the Alliance over this venue. At least it is in the nontechnical discussion area but I'm not sure I can do much without really disparaging a lot of companies. I happen to think they deserve it, I think their tactics are misleading and sophomoric. But opinions are opinions and I try my best to truly limit my flames. Read through the information provided by the other members of the alliance....I think you can realize most of them on your own. Possibly I'm being a bit hard on ASNA but I think that is the risk your company took by forming this alliance. Michael Crump Manager, Computing Services Saint-Gobain Containers 1509 S. Macedonia Ave. Muncie, IN 47302 (765)741-7696 (765)741-7012 f (800)428-8642 "The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just" Abraham Lincoln Phillip Hinojosa <phillip.hinojosa @asna.com> To Non-Technical Discussion about the 01/12/2005 05:14 AS400 / iSeries PM <midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Please respond to Subject Non-Technical RE: Microsoft goes after the Discussion about iSeries the AS400 / iSeries <midrange-nontech @midrange.com> "I think I'll extend my boycott of California Software products to ASNA. While I'm all for alternative programming environments I struggle with a number of inaccurate statements being made within the Midrange Alliance." Hello All, I work for ASNA. My views are not shared nor approved by ASNA. That being said, this is the most exciting time in the history of an RPG developer. Some of you may think that's debatable but I have proof. Anyway, I don't understand which specific statements from ASNA caused you to boycott us but I think it's unfair that the public may formulate a negative opinion about ASNA. Any detail would be appreciated. Take care, Phillip -- This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech.
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