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<Moved from Tech List (since this is in reply to a few of the Non-Technical parts of James' fine "article" ).> | -----Original Message----- | [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of James Rich | Whew! 2 1/2 hours on one email message! That's got to be a new record. Well... THAT'S 2 1/2 hours of your life that you can't get back... lol...:-D A record...?!? I spent somewhere between 2 and 2 1/2 hours on my e, and that wuz one-a my SHORTER ones... <snicker...;-> And just want to add that I appreciate the thoughtful response, James, and found it VERY interesting in several respects. (Dunno how many others found similar, but (to me) the quantity of people who enjoyed your post is of little import... You seemed to ENJOY writing the post, as far as I can tell, and that (I hope) is sufficient justification for the time spent.) Unfortunately, I have commitments to work which prevent me from replying in any decent matter until later (if it happens, which is doubtful due to time). But to (actually somewhat superficially, due to brevity in spite of length) address a couple of the non-technical aspects of your reply, James: | If Richard Stallman were to say, "I cease to believe that knowledge should | be freely accessible" then I would stop listening to what he has to say, | and admittedly lose faith in his writings. I hesitate to say "lose faith" | because of the religious overtones; I mean it in only the most secular | way. All of the people you mention are just people and not deserving of | any kind of worship. I can't agree more that these people are people that are not deserving of worship. The discussion of whether there are ANY people who are worthy of worship would require a lengthy discussion of the terms "person", "worthy", and "worship", and is not one I'm gonna participate in (at the very least on a forum of this kind, if any). | They aren't cult leaders. Perhaps I use the term "cult" improperly. These people are leaders of very LARGE and POWERFUL groups (the FSF, OSI, Linux, and the group that made up the "Creative" Commons license, respectively)... And the core of these different groups very intimately surround the individual who is heading the group. And the core principles of each of these groups shares a common facet, from what I've observed, which is that the core principles are self-contradictory and illogical. When I say "illogical" I do NOT mean to imply that they are insane or not well-reasoned or ANYTHING along those lines, but that they are founded in logic that works backwards from conclusion to fact.. and are, therefore in hindsight, not very pragmatic. And that's why the results these groups have achieved (which are MANY and undeniable (although I tend to come across like I don't appreciate the results when I do)) run contrary to the goals that are espoused. So the results end up contributing to the problem, as much or more than solving the problems they were intended to resolve. The common problems all these groups intended to solve was (to simplify) to increase software quality and innovation. (Not that they haven't served to produce BIG, yet incremental, gains.) There was an, I believe INTENDED, side-effect which was that each of these people became famous and developed HUGE followings. That's what I intended to mean when I referred to "cult" leaders. <snip, see below> | Science has been building on this | idea for a long time. That it should be applied so widely is what makes | it so exciting. I can learn. You can learn. We can improve ourselves. On this, there is little debate (afaik). | But they do champion | ideas - ideas which are powerful and compelling. The idea is that | knowledge should be freely accessible. | So reason number two for "why linux?" is knowledge should be freely | accessible. That is my experience - and what a great experience it has | been! I do not equate "knowledge" with "education" although they correllate to a large degree (and will take a pass on the whole IQ vs. EQ debate). (I also do NOT see much correlation between "knowlege" and "wisdom", which is a WHOLE 'nuther topic.) Education is not free. The leaders of the "developed" countries met with the leaders of the "undeveloped" countries, year ago last Spring, and announced a goal of making K - 12 education "free" world-wide by 2015. (The leader of the summit announced that this goal was not feasible, but they wanted to at least set A goal.) Seen no discussion of higher education becoming "free". I've heard from a number of respected sources that RMS is a highly principled individual. Nonetheless, it is no small irony but a great hypocracy that he is a (very-well-paid, I'm sure) Professor. Yet he declares that professional programmers should NEVER be paid for the work they do. Likewise ESR and Linus Torvalds who, as "luck" would have it, are no doubt exceedingly wealthy. Lawrence Lessig is a LAWYER, not a professional programmer. I mistrust his motivations the least of the four, however, for some reason. So the question isn't a-tall whether knowledge SHOULD be freely accessible or not, because it ain't (even in the West in spite of the Net, but especially when looked at globally). And the discussion of whether it SHOULD be free (or freely accessible or whatever) which is economically IMPOSSIBLE.. ..actually moves the discussion AWAY from how it COULD be more-cheaply-accessible through TRUE software quality and innovation, and NOT by depriving coders of a way to make a living (except by selling snake oil, referring to "Four Ways to Win" from "Jobs for Hackers" on OSI site. And "The open-source culture's exemplars of commercial success have, so far, been".. ....NONEXISTANT, despite the bombastic claims to the contrary. The TRUE successes have been in smaller niches, not Red Hat or the pathetic performance of VA Linux (LNUX) which are so highly TOUTED.) (Wisdom, on the other hand, IS free for the taking.. yet even THAT'S not all THAT easy to come by for most-a us, anyhoo...;-)
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